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<p>Nick -</p>
<p>I asked this because the style of your statement felt like it had
the flavor of Cold War Rhetoric which I was (also) raised on. I
(want to) think something more sophisticated (and interesting) is
afoot today and that while I don't want to fall into the
low-entropy stylization implied by this CCP Spectre, I *do* want
to believe (or seek) something good that the CCP "great
experiment" might have found while we were on our NeoLiberal
hyperCapitalism "great experiment". Is there room to learn
something (humanist/humanitarian) from them? I believe
StephenG's familiarity with China in modern times (as well as
others) may offer us some parallax?</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/21 10:42 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No. You are right on target for the
thread. My understanding of the present Government is that it
is absolutely convinced that the centralist, technological,
authoritarian model of government superior to other models and
that this is their time to demonstrate that superiority. I
can really imagine some CCP leaders reading this research and
thinking, “mmmmmmmmm! THAT’S interesting. In my back yard,
back in the sixties, there was a teensy little CIA research
station figuring out how to get animals –dogs, ravens,
pigeons, donkeys, what-have-you, to carry bombs for them,
using a combination of training and neural implants. When the
gave up the project, they left behind two gigantic glass
carboys filled with pickled dogs heads. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Algerian">The
Shadow Knows</span>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nick <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
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Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 11, 2021 11:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in
ethological studies of bird flocks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick -<br>
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<p>Chinese science moves ahead in the development of the ideal
society. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I don't mean to be flip in my question, but have to ask if
you are being flip in this statement? Can you say more about
what you think the Chinese gov't/people/culture might be
"trying" to do, either overtly, or implicitly by simply
following their individual goals/interests/desires? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I believe that the collective dynamics between
Nations/Peoples are what is dominating the movement/evolution
of humanity (cultural, not genetic) and that it is like an
N-body problem in complexity and subtlety but is effected
primarily through network relations. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Like Gene Expression Networks, I believe that the more
important "memes" (I think this is a useful but risky
metaphorical binding that Dawkins coined for us most of a
career (for me) ago) are those that are _regulatory_ which is
why the likes of Trump and Bannon and Stone and the whole
cabal of supervillians we are coping with these days focus on
things like "fake news!" and "big lie!", etc. In the spirit
of McLuhan, "the medium IS the message", the medium itself
becomes the _thing to manipulate_ like trying to disrupt the
news credibility and the election process as well as becoming
the definition of a tweetHole, and using Facebook to
disseminate dysInfo etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I know this is an acute threadbend, you were trying to talk
about birds and flocking and experimental techniques for
studying same... if you do feel inclined to answer, it is
probably best to rethread.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>If the robo-pigeon is a dominant member of the flock, you
can make the flock do loop-di-loops by commanding the
robo-pigeon to loop. If subordinate, the loop-di-looping
behavior of the robopigeon has no effect on the flock. A
robo-pigeon is one with a brain implant and pigeons are
operated on AFTER their dominance in the flock has been
determined. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I hope I have this all right. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Nick <o:p></o:p></p>
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