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<p>I have a friend who cut her teeth as a lawyer (finance) in Hong
Kong maybe 15 years ago... she has since returned to Australia
(via a gig in Japan) and *hates* what is happening in HK and can
list endlessly the friends/colleagues whose lives have been
damaged/disrupted by the changes there.</p>
<p>This being said, however, it *does* seem like what is happening
there is the end of a century plus long occupation/colonization.
She and her friends/colleagues are all professional/merchant class
and none are ethnically Chinese. Not surprising the changes are
mostly downside to them?<br>
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<p>Juarez, Tijuana, Nogales SA all used to feel like US colonies in
many ways. They were "returned" to MX proper to some degree by
the War on Drugs and the Drug Cartel action and now becoming
portals for attempted immigration from yet more
southerly/impoverished countries. I have a lifelong friend who
used to run the Zenith assembly plant in Agua Prieta SA... she
would claim that their presence there for several decades was a
huge boon to the people there, as was their strategic (for Zenith,
not the local economy) withdrawal. Of course she saw it that
way. My brother-in-law who recently retired as the
longest-tenured employee (~50 years) of Freeport McMorran (who
bought him up when they bought up Phelps Dodge) would insist that
it is all "upside" for the people who once lived on the landscape
where their mega pit-mines were developed and where their private
armies (FPM,not PD) were in charge of all the necessary "rousting"
to get and keep those mines running/expanding/profit-maximized.</p>
<p>But back to Nick's point (or to yet another of my tangents from
his point)... the Buddhist phrase "World as battleground, world
as trap, world as lover, world as self" seems relevant? If we
consider these contexts *only* as traps and battlegrounds, that is
pretty much what they will be. Stephen G through his former (and
some present) work and familial relations in China has chose to
*also* look at them (country, people, government) through the
lenses of "Lover" and "Self)?</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/12/21 12:56 PM, Edward Angel
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We were in Taiwan during their first truly democratic election.
The U.S. media was filled with dire predictions of imminent war.
The reality was that no one in Taiwan was worried about an attack.
China and Taiwan, in spite of the rhetoric, were deeply coupled
economically and war would be disastrous for both sides. The only
evidence the Taiwanese newspapers reported in as a result of the
“tensions” was an increase in the number of prostitutes arriving
in Taiwan from Macao and Hong Kong. However, we did note that a
foreign tourist was arrested for taking down an election banner as
a souvenir which was regarded as serious offense. I doubt things
are much different now.
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<div class="">We also spent time in Hong Kong just before and just
after it going back to China. For a while not much changed and
there were restrictions that prevented mainland Chinese from
entering Hong Kong. At that time, China was very dependent on
Hong Kong as its economic outlet to the rest of the world and
didn’t want to threaten that status. It’s very different now as
China has developed many other outlets and consequently they are
willing to treat Hong Kong like the rest of China.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Nick,<br class="">
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> Is Hong Kong not being digested as we speak? Is
pressure not increasing on the Taiwanese? </div>
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An orthogonal perspective is healing and unification
post-occupation and aggression by foreign powers. ie:<br
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<li class="">North/South Vietnam</li>
<li class="">Manchuria/China</li>
<li class="">East/West Germany</li>
<li class="">North/South Korea<br class="">
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<div class="">I am concerned about <a
href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-china-us-marines/2021/10/08/20378918-27d8-11ec-8739-5cb6aba30a30_story.html"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">US military buildup
in Taiwan</a> after agreeing to <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-China_policy"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">one china policy</a>
in 1979. How did we feel about USSR flexing its muscle
in Cuba? </div>
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这就是你想让我说的吗？ 我们现在可以在中国推出我们的软件吗？ </div>
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