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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess you mean A(t=0)->B(t=1), B(t=1)->A(t=2), not B(t=1)->A(t=0)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Frank Wimberly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I did a number of experiments in the use of causal learning methods to infer genetic regulatory networks using actual and simulated data. Those networks have loops of a variety of lengths. References available upon request.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:41 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just don't see how that is a "loop" except that repeated application of such a matrix could lead to oscillation. It sounded like somehow causality was violated and not just obscured.<br>
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From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of ? glen<br>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:38 PM<br>
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation<br>
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Right, high dimension. More important than the matrix being large is that it has non-zero cross terms.<br>
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On November 28, 2021 8:42:37 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>The operators are large (in the sense of a matrix) whether or not they are intended to be?<br>
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>> On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:20 AM, <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">
\u26e7</span> glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> \ufeffAny of the evolutionary operators across scales, from energy exchange at the finest to ecosystem reengineering at the coarsest.<br>
>> <br>
>>> On November 27, 2021 7:33:15 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> I\u2019ve heard these words from you Glen, but I have no idea what these loops are or what you might be talking about.<br>
>>> <br>
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glen <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">\u26e7</span><br>
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