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Here's another (long) article on how adaptations may play out. Thumbnail summary:</div>
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<The good news is, some of the moves we need to make are easier, more straightforward and more under our control than we imagined, if we’d just allow ourselves to get them done. The bad news is that there is just going to be loss. We’re not used to thinking
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The costs will come year after year, and the insurers will be forced to adapt. They will plan for their own survival, and that will constrain what people can do. That's a good thing.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of David Eric Smith <desmith@santafe.edu><br>
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and fragments and ideas by others that I repeat secondhand, and not systematic or insightful by me. So on that one I continue to paddle around. Many of the positions that I entertain as potentially right are probably far more extreme than anything you would
want to countenance. I neither hunger for them nor fear them; they are just so many sigmas from the inertia in which the world has moved for my whole lifetime, that whether they are right or wrong is a matter of large importance. That means taking a position
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I am uncertain about the degree to which your answers deny the premise of my question: What does a healthy 2040 COMMUNITY look like. Marcus seems committed to a naturalist morality, all natural selection is good, but I can’t believe that Eric is, given other
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…suggests a hankering to out think the market, to head off the future, not just to plan to profit form it, but perhaps I am inserting my own Silent Generation Deweyan hankering. <span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></div>
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<b class="">From:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" class="" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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If we think about the dichotomy in public health, or in reason vs. hormonal aggression, the split in the US (at least by political commitments) is not so far from 50/50. But as far as “profiting from the committed wrong”, that market seems to be cornered already
by a very tiny percent, who have priced in much of the available surplus. The difference between the dupes and the honest but powerless seems unimportant compared to the difference between both of those and the insiders with power, access, and control. Somehow
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On Jan 2, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" class="" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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adapt to climate change and the exhaustion of food and energy, and the migrations resulting from climate change. That's where the opportunities will be. If there are millions of people that deny it is happening like they deny pandemics, then things simply
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<b class="">From:</b><span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" class="" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>> on behalf
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So, what does a healthy 2040 community look like. What are we working TOWARD, here. Once of the things that the Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me was my feeling that, in a chaotic world, people like me,<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">planners,<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span></i>are
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By the way, I think “surfing the web” , as it has been used, is a terrible metaphor. What most of us do is like water skiing the web. Bouncing over the wake, never actually getting into the water. Gives surfing a bad name. A surfer finds the few survivable
paths through an immense concentration of hostile forces. Surfing is more like martial arts. In fact we must begin to surf the web. To realize the manners in which its hostile forces constrain us and find the few paths that allow us to master those forces
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Imagined a world in which we all worked at home, everything was on zoom, and everything was delivered by Amazon by drone. I realize this is a reductio, but hum along with me for a few bars. There would be no intermediate social landscape between the home
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I can’t say immediately why this would be a bad thing, but my gut doesn’t like it.</div>
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, January 2, 2022 1:38 PM<br class="">
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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt">I can see living without Facebook (I do), but why can't we live with Amazon? It seems like they did a pretty good job of displacing the likes of Walmart. It could happen again. What added inherent value do stores have,
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>[FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??</div>
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a conversation between the former prosecutor, Joyce Vance, and the musician, financier, turncoat Facebook investor Roger Mcnamee, who likens this moment with big tech to the moment before the food industry regulations of the early 1900’s and anti-pollution
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An hour-long pod cast is a terribly inefficient way to learn about something, so I hope that one you, for whom none of this is news, can offer a more condensed source.</div>
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We are basically talking about the Amazon paradox, here: can’t live with it; can’t live without it. How much ARE we willing to pay to have the trains run on time?</div>
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As usual, I am in need of instruction. </div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">FRIAM-COMIC<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,cpEogyJvJAnZ5yDHT8xjcMbqqQbzFKG_08ZVuXA2J9sm6TeANZpOEcRSDv1dDkQSikCfvGDGgSPjhW3YjBEoqD8ikJmzw7Rb-pntLiO6haQG57zN5y7BqtLDtw,,&typo=1" class="" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px">https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,cpEogyJvJAnZ5yDHT8xjcMbqqQbzFKG_08ZVuXA2J9sm6TeANZpOEcRSDv1dDkQSikCfvGDGgSPjhW3YjBEoqD8ikJmzw7Rb-pntLiO6haQG57zN5y7BqtLDtw,,&typo=1</a><br class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">archives:</span><br class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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thru present<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,ZzIePg6KF0TEtb_o7qXE7ZAYm0FkqSWDiJa_OTGP6RkpYF1diLqBAYu4mA-LihKfJYYLiNRtlIOn4KCQbhQOQetozz4pSDnLMO9ngAZ5&typo=1" class="" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px">https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,ZzIePg6KF0TEtb_o7qXE7ZAYm0FkqSWDiJa_OTGP6RkpYF1diLqBAYu4mA-LihKfJYYLiNRtlIOn4KCQbhQOQetozz4pSDnLMO9ngAZ5&typo=1</a><br class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">1/2003
thru 6/2021 </span><a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" class="" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a></div>
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