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<p>I am coming late to this thread/discussion which is probably for
the best, not diving in prematurely.</p>
<p>I appreciate your (NST) bringing the thread back to your original
question, not that the myriad braided channels of the thread are
not useful and interesting. <br>
</p>
<p>I think it is an interesting question for many reasons.</p>
<ol>
<li>What makes 2040 Auspicious to you (or any of us?)</li>
<li>What scope (geographic, political, social, specieal) of
community?</li>
<li>Where does scaling come in (referencing 1 and 2)?</li>
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<p>2040... I'm used to people invoking 2030 and 2050 and 2100
variously... I don't think I've encountered a 2040 invocation
before. It is auspcious for me in that I will be mid-80s by then
which may be the age of some of our eldest here already, and an
age which I don't necessarily expect to reach personally. My
father and grandfathers only made it into their late 70s and
early 80s(my father) while my mother recently passed just shy of
91. <br>
</p>
<p>Many Climate Predictors/Planners are talking about not getting
our carbon gluttony under control before 2050, others are saying
2030 is a critical goal and yet other say we are already farooked
and now it is deck-chair-on-titanic time. I suppose I believe
all of them. We missed a window in 1900 or maybe 1975 or maybe
2000 for nipping our gluttony for portable, inexpensive,
ubiquitous, very dense energy in the bud, and the worst of the
greenhouse gas-induced climato-ecological tumble that is finally
becoming something many people experience in real time. It took
ME getting a bad sunburn at sea-level in 10 minutes (in NZ in
2000) to actually *believe* in the Ozone hole (as it shrunk but
precessed around the south pole, making sun-exposure MUCH more
acute (fickle) than I've been used to living in dry, high
elevation conditions most of my life). Los Alamos tried to burn
down *twice* in 10 years and I, along with many others tried to
treat it as a transient/coincidental phenomena, not a consequence
of widespread heat/drought/etc. Now cities like Portland and
Denver (where my daughters each live) are trying to burn down.
As little as 2 years ago I remember a discussion on this list
where at least one member seemed adamant that a 2C rise in average
temperature of the globe was nothing to worry about. That member
(and others who lurk on such topics) may well still hold that the
wild and growing variations in weather, forced by a small but
meaningful climate shift, is not a problem and/or is also nothing
we have brought upon ourselves with our ignorantly willful
gluttony (which I have shared in my life, and continue to
experience albeit somewhat reduced).</p>
<p>Scope of Community... I think your original question was pretty
much using the vernacular use of "community"... me and all my
friends, associates, neighbors, colleagues, etc. How do we live
together. What does a "day in the life" look like? I think
this is a good choice of focus/question even though (or especially
because) it is the tip of the iceberg of what is
important/relevant. It IS what we experience. It is (for the
most part) our fitness function, which we optimize for. I ask
scope because of the intertwinedness of Economy, Ecology, and
??? earth/human systems which I think we have somewhat
ignored. We here are practiced and trained somewhat in systems
thinking but I would claim that we are not that good at it, at
least not outside of our specialized domains where we have peers
and tools and systems to keep us honest. Huge failings of this
type range from the manic hypercapitalistic modality that does not
recognize that it *can* shit it's own nest with both earth-systems
(ecology) and human systems (economic class/warfare), to the
current pandemic (best I can tell anti-mask/anti-vaxx folks are
thinking only/at-best about infectous disease and entirely
oblivious of epidemiology and how it is different if related). I
also believe that the anti-democracy activities afoot around the
world are predicated on something like a majority (or at least a
large enough mob) believing that as long as they are the ones
getting their way, there really isn't any value in a system that
supports something like fairness/justice/plurality. I myself
have a lot of misgivings about direct and representative
democracy, but not (just) because I keep not-getting-my-way in the
one I ostensibly inhabit, but because I don't think it either
optimizes nor satisfices what we *really want/need* which is part
of Nick's original challenge (healthy community). In my emergent
pan-consciousness perspective, I accept the technical accuracy of
Marcus' position about "natural consequences"... but I also
continue to hold onto principals of mutual respect (and even love)
among/between loci of consciousness (individual humans, other
sentient creatures, not-quite-sentient creatures, trees, forests,
mountains, glaciers, ice-caps, etc.) <br>
</p>
<p>Scaling... this thread has included discussions (dismissals?)
of "intermediate scale" in our systems, yet most of us are
familiar with the emergence/maintenance of power-law distributions
in natural systems. Engineering (including of Societies and
Economies) tends to focus on (false?) efficiencies which tend to
(require?) eliminate or at least severely reduce intermediate
scales. "Cut out the middleman". I find the specifics of Nudge
Theory a little bit trite but I do very much appreciate the
attempt to re-introduce some of the mechanisms of
natural/evolutionary systems into our engineering processes.
"Nudging" very likely re-introduces some of the intermediate scale
structures that hyper-optimization of sub-dimensional
fitness-functions tend to eliminate. "Think Global, Act Local"
seems to have become at least dated if not somewhat deprecated...
and it certainly can seem trite. I take it to be a
bumper-sticker sized, generally accessible proxy for "power law
distribution of scales".</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/3/22 10:28 AM,
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marcus and EricS, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am uncertain about the degree to which
your answers deny the premise of my question: What does a
healthy 2040 COMMUNITY look like. Marcus seems committed to a
naturalist morality, all natural selection is good, but I
can’t believe that Eric is, given other things he has said in
these pages. The citation of the aphorism,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span class="quotationChar">“The market
can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">…suggests a hankering to out think the
market, to head off the future, not just to plan to profit
form it, but perhaps I am inserting my own Silent Generation
Deweyan hankering. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It’s freezing effing cold in this room and
I have to go to the sunny side of the house. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
Eric Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 3, 2022 5:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is an interesting direction.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How small a minority does one have to be
in, for it to count as an arbitrage opportunity? In the El
Farol and Minority Game abstractions, any minority is
enough.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we think about the dichotomy in public
health, or in reason vs. hormonal aggression, the split in
the US (at least by political commitments) is not so far
from 50/50. But as far as “profiting from the committed
wrong”, that market seems to be cornered already by a very
tiny percent, who have priced in much of the available
surplus. The difference between the dupes and the honest
but powerless seems unimportant compared to the difference
between both of those and the insiders with power, access,
and control. Somehow these richly structured extensive-form
games with coalitional solution concepts seem very far from
the market model in which we often think about arbitrage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am also reminded of the aphorism in
that other realm “The market can stay irrational longer than
you can stay solvent.” Or in the case of climate,
agricultural, and social instability, alive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wonder what makes an adequate toolbox
of concepts and analogies with which to think about this (at
least somewhat) systematically.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 2, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Marcus
Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#201F1E;background:white">Nick
writes:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#201F1E;background:white">< So,
what does a healthy 2040 community look like.
What are we working TOWARD, here. Once of the
things that the Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me
was my feeling that, in a chaotic world, people
like me, <i>planners, </i>are just out of tune
with the world. ></span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#201F1E;background:white">I don't
think it really matters how people interact in
social media or what they think. What will
matter is how people adapt to climate change and
the exhaustion of food and energy, and the
migrations resulting from climate change. That's
where the opportunities will be. If there are
millions of people that deny it is happening like
they deny pandemics, then things simply must be
arranged so that the natural accounting occurs.
The planners will look past the chaos and make
their investments.. and wait.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#201F1E;background:white">Marcus</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
on behalf of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
January 2, 2022 1:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>'The
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, what does a healthy 2040
community look like. What are we working
TOWARD, here. Once of the things that the
Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me was my
feeling that, in a chaotic world, people like
me,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>planners,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>are
just out of tune with the world. <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">By the way, I think “surfing
the web” , as it has been used, is a terrible
metaphor. What most of us do is like water
skiing the web. Bouncing over the wake, never
actually getting into the water. Gives surfing
a bad name. A surfer finds the few survivable
paths through an immense concentration of
hostile forces. Surfing is more like martial
arts. In fact we must begin to surf the web.
To realize the manners in which its hostile
forces constrain us and find the few paths that
allow us to master those forces and come out of
the curl safely. We thought it was a
playground; now we see it’s a minefield. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam
<<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Marcus
Daniels<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
January 2, 2022 2:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>The
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">< </span><span
style="color:#201F1E">Imagined a world in
which we all worked at home, everything was
on zoom, and everything was delivered by
Amazon by drone. I realize this is a
reductio, but hum along with me for a few
bars. There would be no intermediate social
landscape between the home and the
distribution center. No intermediate human
scales. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">I
can’t say immediately why this would be a
bad thing, but my gut doesn’t like it.></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">I
can't think of many examples where the
intermediate scales are anything but
wasteful or intrusive. Maybe to see a
tailor coupled to the purchase of certain
clothes? I still drive to services
(dentist, doctor, hair stylist), just not to
redistributors, because they don't really
add anything. There's still a farmer's
market that seems as popular as ever -- but
they DO offer something unique. I can
drive five minutes to Home Depot but
honestly half the time their inventory is
exhausted for what I want, and I end up
ordering it online. </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">Marcus </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
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<b>Subject:</b><span
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[FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marcus,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to be
convinced …. But<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Imagined a world in which
we all worked at home, everything was on
zoom, and everything was delivered by Amazon
by drone. I realize this is a reductio, but
hum along with me for a few bars. There
would be no intermediate social landscape
between the home and the distribution
center. No intermediate human scales. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can’t say immediately
why this would be a bad thing, but my gut
doesn’t like it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of<span
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Daniels<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
January 2, 2022 1:38 PM<br>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">I can see
living without Facebook (I do), but why
can't we live with Amazon? It seems
like they did a pretty good job of
displacing the likes of Walmart. It
could happen again. What added inherent
value do stores have, other than as a
mechanism to prevent he consolidation of
market influence w.r.t. to prices?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b><span
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Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just listened to
this podcast<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a conversation
between the former prosecutor, Joyce
Vance, and the musician, financier,
turncoat Facebook investor Roger
Mcnamee, who likens this moment with big
tech to the moment before the food
industry regulations of the early 1900’s
and anti-pollution legislation of the
60’s, moments when Da People reasserted
control over over-weening industry
interests. He is author of the book,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Zucked</i>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An hour-long pod cast
is a terribly inefficient way to learn
about something, so I hope that one you,
for whom none of this is news, can offer
a more condensed source.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are basically
talking about the Amazon paradox, here:
can’t live with it; can’t live without
it. How much ARE we willing to pay to
have the trains run on time?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As usual, I am in
need of instruction. <o:p></o:p></p>
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