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    <p>I am coming late to this thread/discussion which is probably for
      the best, not diving in prematurely.</p>
    <p>I appreciate your (NST) bringing the thread back to your original
      question, not that the myriad braided channels of the thread are
      not useful and interesting.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>I think it is an interesting question for many reasons.</p>
    <ol>
      <li>What makes 2040 Auspicious to you (or any of us?)</li>
      <li>What scope (geographic, political, social, specieal) of
        community?</li>
      <li>Where does scaling come in (referencing 1 and 2)?</li>
    </ol>
    <p>2040...  I'm used to people invoking 2030 and 2050 and 2100
      variously... I don't think I've encountered a 2040 invocation
      before.  It is auspcious for me in that I will be mid-80s by then
      which may be the age of some of our eldest here already, and an
      age which I don't necessarily expect to reach personally.  My
      father and grandfathers only made it into their late 70s and 
      early 80s(my father) while my mother recently passed just shy of
      91. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Many Climate Predictors/Planners are talking about not getting
      our carbon gluttony under control before 2050, others are saying
      2030 is a critical goal and yet other say we are already farooked
      and now it is deck-chair-on-titanic time.   I suppose I believe
      all of them.   We missed a window in 1900 or maybe 1975 or maybe
      2000 for nipping our gluttony for portable, inexpensive,
      ubiquitous, very dense energy in the bud, and the worst of the
      greenhouse gas-induced climato-ecological tumble that is finally
      becoming something many people experience in real time.   It took
      ME getting a bad sunburn at sea-level in 10 minutes (in NZ in
      2000) to actually *believe* in the Ozone hole (as it shrunk but
      precessed around the south pole, making sun-exposure MUCH more
      acute (fickle) than I've been used to living in dry, high
      elevation conditions most of my life).   Los Alamos tried to burn
      down *twice* in 10 years and I, along with many others tried to
      treat it as a transient/coincidental phenomena, not a consequence
      of widespread heat/drought/etc.   Now cities like Portland and
      Denver (where my daughters each live) are trying to burn down.   
      As little as 2 years ago I remember a discussion on this list
      where at least one member seemed adamant that a 2C rise in average
      temperature of the globe was nothing to worry about.  That member
      (and others who lurk on such topics) may well still hold that the
      wild and growing variations in weather, forced by a small but
      meaningful climate shift, is not a problem and/or is also nothing
      we have brought upon ourselves with our ignorantly willful
      gluttony (which I have shared in my life, and continue to
      experience albeit somewhat reduced).</p>
    <p>Scope of Community...  I think your original question was pretty
      much using the vernacular use of "community"...   me and all my
      friends, associates, neighbors, colleagues, etc.   How do we live
      together.   What does a "day in the life" look like?   I think
      this is a good choice of focus/question even though (or especially
      because) it is the tip of the iceberg of what is
      important/relevant.   It IS what we experience.  It is (for the
      most part) our fitness function, which we optimize for.   I ask
      scope because of the intertwinedness of Economy, Ecology, and
      ???   earth/human systems which I think we have somewhat
      ignored.   We here are practiced and trained somewhat in systems
      thinking but I would claim that we are not that good at it, at
      least not outside of our specialized domains where we have peers
      and tools and systems to keep us honest.   Huge failings of this
      type range from the manic hypercapitalistic modality that does not
      recognize that it *can* shit it's own nest with both earth-systems
      (ecology) and human systems (economic class/warfare), to the
      current pandemic (best I can tell anti-mask/anti-vaxx folks are
      thinking only/at-best about infectous disease and entirely
      oblivious of epidemiology and how it is different if related).   I
      also believe that the anti-democracy activities afoot around the
      world are predicated on something like a majority (or at least a
      large enough mob) believing that as long as they are the ones
      getting their way, there really isn't any value in a system that
      supports something like fairness/justice/plurality.   I myself
      have a lot of misgivings about direct and representative
      democracy, but not (just) because I keep not-getting-my-way in the
      one I ostensibly inhabit, but because I don't think it either
      optimizes nor satisfices what we *really want/need* which is part
      of Nick's original challenge (healthy community).   In my emergent
      pan-consciousness perspective, I accept the technical accuracy of
      Marcus' position about "natural consequences"...  but I also
      continue to hold onto principals of mutual respect (and even love)
      among/between loci of consciousness (individual humans, other
      sentient creatures, not-quite-sentient creatures, trees, forests,
      mountains, glaciers, ice-caps, etc.)   <br>
    </p>
    <p>Scaling...   this thread has included discussions (dismissals?)
      of "intermediate scale" in our systems, yet most of us are
      familiar with the emergence/maintenance of power-law distributions
      in natural systems.   Engineering (including of Societies and
      Economies) tends to focus on (false?) efficiencies which tend to
      (require?) eliminate or at least severely reduce intermediate
      scales.  "Cut out the middleman".   I find the specifics of Nudge
      Theory a little bit trite but I do very much appreciate the
      attempt to re-introduce some of the mechanisms of
      natural/evolutionary systems into our engineering processes.  
      "Nudging" very likely re-introduces some of the intermediate scale
      structures that hyper-optimization of sub-dimensional
      fitness-functions tend to eliminate.   "Think Global, Act Local"
      seems to have become at least dated if not somewhat deprecated... 
      and it certainly can seem trite.   I take it to be a
      bumper-sticker sized, generally accessible proxy for "power law
      distribution of scales".</p>
    <p>- Steve<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/3/22 10:28 AM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Marcus and EricS, <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I am uncertain about the degree to which
          your answers deny the premise of my question: What does a
          healthy 2040 COMMUNITY look like.  Marcus seems committed to a
          naturalist morality, all natural selection is good, but I
          can’t believe that Eric is, given other things he has said in
          these pages.  The citation of the aphorism,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> <span class="quotationChar">“The market
            can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.”  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">…suggests a hankering to out think the
          market, to head off the future, not just to plan to profit
          form it, but perhaps I am inserting my own Silent Generation
          Deweyan hankering.  <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">It’s freezing effing cold in this room and
          I have to go to the sunny side of the house.  <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><a
              href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
              moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
              Eric Smith<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 3, 2022 5:15 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
              Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">This is an interesting direction.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">How small a minority does one have to be
            in, for it to count as an arbitrage opportunity?  In the El
            Farol and Minority Game abstractions, any minority is
            enough.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">If we think about the dichotomy in public
            health, or in reason vs. hormonal aggression, the split in
            the US (at least by political commitments) is not so far
            from 50/50.  But as far as “profiting from the committed
            wrong”, that market seems to be cornered already by a very
            tiny percent, who have priced in much of the available
            surplus.  The difference between the dupes and the honest
            but powerless seems unimportant compared to the difference
            between both of those and the insiders with power, access,
            and control.  Somehow these richly structured extensive-form
            games with coalitional solution concepts seem very far from
            the market model in which we often think about arbitrage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I am also reminded of the aphorism in
            that other realm “The market can stay irrational longer than
            you can stay solvent.”  Or in the case of climate,
            agricultural, and social instability, alive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I wonder what makes an adequate toolbox
            of concepts and analogies with which to think about this (at
            least somewhat) systematically.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Eric<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 2, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Marcus
                  Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#201F1E;background:white">Nick
                      writes:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#201F1E;background:white">< So,
                      what does a healthy 2040 community look like. 
                       What are we working TOWARD, here.  Once of the
                      things that the Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me
                      was my feeling that, in a chaotic world, people
                      like me, <i>planners, </i>are just out of tune
                      with the world. ></span><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#201F1E;background:white">I don't
                      think it really matters how people interact in
                      social media or what they think.   What will
                      matter is how people adapt to climate change and
                      the exhaustion of food and energy, and the
                      migrations resulting from climate change.  That's
                      where the opportunities will be.   If there are
                      millions of people that deny it is happening like
                      they deny pandemics, then things simply must be
                      arranged so that the natural accounting occurs. 
                       The planners will look past the chaos and make
                      their investments.. and wait.</span><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#201F1E;background:white">Marcus</span><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a
                      href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                    on behalf of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a><span
                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
                      href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
                    <b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                    January 2, 2022 1:32 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>'The
                    Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a
                      href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                    [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<span
                      style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">So, what does a healthy 2040
                        community look like.   What are we working
                        TOWARD, here.  Once of the things that the
                        Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me was my
                        feeling that, in a chaotic world, people like
                        me,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>planners,<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>are
                        just out of tune with the world. <span
                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">By the way, I think “surfing
                        the web” , as it has been used, is a terrible
                        metaphor.  What most of us do is like water
                        skiing the web.  Bouncing over the wake, never
                        actually getting into the water.   Gives surfing
                        a bad name.  A surfer finds the few survivable
                        paths through an immense concentration of
                        hostile forces.  Surfing is more like martial
                        arts.  In fact we must begin to surf the web.  
                        To realize the manners in which its hostile
                        forces constrain us and find the few paths that
                        allow us to master those forces and come out of
                        the curl safely.  We thought it was a
                        playground; now we see it’s a minefield. <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">n<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                            href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><a
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                    <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                        1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam
                            <<a
                              href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                style="color:#0563C1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                              Behalf Of<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Marcus
                            Daniels<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                            January 2, 2022 2:18 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>The
                            Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
                            Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                style="color:#0563C1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">Nick writes:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">< </span><span
                            style="color:#201F1E">Imagined a world in
                            which we all worked at home, everything was
                            on zoom, and everything was delivered by
                            Amazon by drone.  I realize this is a
                            reductio, but hum along with me for a few
                            bars.  There would be no intermediate social
                            landscape between the home and the
                            distribution center.  No intermediate human
                            scales. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="background:white;background-position:initial
                        initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E"> </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">I
                            can’t say immediately why this would be a
                            bad thing, but my gut doesn’t like it.></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="background:white;background-position:initial
                        initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E"> </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">I
                            can't think of many examples where the
                            intermediate scales are anything but
                            wasteful or intrusive.   Maybe to see a
                            tailor coupled to the purchase of certain
                            clothes?  I still drive to services
                            (dentist, doctor, hair stylist), just not to
                            redistributors, because they don't really
                            add anything.   There's still a farmer's
                            market that seems as popular as ever -- but
                            they DO offer something unique.    I can
                            drive five minutes to Home Depot but
                            honestly half the time their inventory is
                            exhausted for what I want, and I end up
                            ordering it online.    </span><span
                            style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="background:white;background-position:initial
                        initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E"> </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">Marcus  </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="background:white;background-position:initial
                        initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#201F1E"> </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
                      align="center">
                      <hr width="98%" size="1" align="center"></div>
                    <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg">
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam
                          <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563C1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                          on behalf of<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563C1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
                            href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563C1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
                          <b>Sent:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                          January 2, 2022 1:03 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>'The
                          Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
                          Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563C1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                          [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Marcus,<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I would like to be
                            convinced …. But<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Imagined a world in which
                            we all worked at home, everything was on
                            zoom, and everything was delivered by Amazon
                            by drone.  I realize this is a reductio, but
                            hum along with me for a few bars.  There
                            would be no intermediate social landscape
                            between the home and the distribution
                            center.  No intermediate human scales. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I can’t say immediately
                            why this would be a bad thing, but my gut
                            doesn’t like it.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                                href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
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                        <p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam
                                <<a
                                  href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    style="color:#0563C1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                                  Behalf Of<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Marcus
                                Daniels<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                                January 2, 2022 1:38 PM<br>
                                <b>To:</b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>'The
                                Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
                                Group' <<a
                                  href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    style="color:#0563C1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt">I can see
                                living without Facebook (I do), but why
                                can't we live with Amazon?   It seems
                                like they did a pretty good job of
                                displacing the likes of Walmart.  It
                                could happen again.  What added inherent
                                value do stores have, other than as a
                                mechanism to prevent he consolidation of
                                market influence w.r.t. to prices?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
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                        <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
                          align="center">
                          <hr width="98%" size="1" align="center"></div>
                        <div id="x_x_divRplyFwdMsg">
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam
                              <<a
                                href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:#0563C1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                              on behalf of<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:#0563C1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
                                href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:#0563C1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
                              <b>Sent:</b><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                              January 2, 2022 12:03 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>'The
                              Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
                              Group' <<a
                                href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:#0563C1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[FRIAM]
                              Roger Mcnamee !!??<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">I just listened to
                                this podcast<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="xxxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2ffeeds.megaphone.fm%2fVMP5489734702&c=E,1,G87ToIzgI5DT4ZpiKuXcRc2EHcS4lpVgIftU98yiNor7PFNa9lCoDMtpA2GT4_2eudXeeatF6BgR-Peqwvf8pBQOnsbOiuYBI693rGSZCjDA8-JbvEUZ&typo=1"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    style="color:#0563C1">https://feeds.megaphone.fm/VMP5489734702</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="xxxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">a conversation
                                between the former prosecutor, Joyce
                                Vance, and the musician, financier,
                                turncoat Facebook investor Roger
                                Mcnamee, who likens this moment with big
                                tech to the moment before the food
                                industry regulations of the early 1900’s
                                and anti-pollution legislation of the
                                60’s, moments when Da People reasserted
                                control over over-weening industry
                                interests.  He is author of the book,<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Zucked</i>.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="xxxmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">An hour-long pod cast
                                is a terribly inefficient way to learn
                                about something, so I hope that one you,
                                for whom none of this is news, can offer
                                a more condensed source.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">We are basically
                                talking about the Amazon paradox, here:
                                can’t live with it; can’t live without
                                it.  How much ARE we willing to pay to
                                have the trains run on time?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">As usual, I am in
                                need of instruction. <o:p></o:p></p>
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