<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">This is an interesting direction.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How small a minority does one have to be in, for it to count as an arbitrage opportunity? In the El Farol and Minority Game abstractions, any minority is enough.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we think about the dichotomy in public health, or in reason vs. hormonal aggression, the split in the US (at least by political commitments) is not so far from 50/50. But as far as “profiting from the committed wrong”, that market seems to be cornered already by a very tiny percent, who have priced in much of the available surplus. The difference between the dupes and the honest but powerless seems unimportant compared to the difference between both of those and the insiders with power, access, and control. Somehow these richly structured extensive-form games with coalitional solution concepts seem very far from the market model in which we often think about arbitrage.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am also reminded of the aphorism in that other realm “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” Or in the case of climate, agricultural, and social instability, alive.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wonder what makes an adequate toolbox of concepts and analogies with which to think about this (at least somewhat) systematically.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 2, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" class="">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class="">Nick writes:</span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class="">< So, what does a healthy 2040 community look like. What are we working TOWARD, here. Once of the things that the Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me was my feeling that, in a chaotic world, people like me,<span class=""> </span></span><i style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">planners,<span class=""> </span></i><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class="">are just out of tune with the world. ></span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class="">I don't think it really matters how people interact in social media or what they think. What will matter is how people adapt to climate change and the exhaustion of food and energy, and the migrations resulting from climate change. That's where the opportunities will be. If there are millions of people that deny it is happening like they deny pandemics, then things simply must be arranged so that the natural accounting occurs. The planners will look past the chaos and make their investments.. and wait.</span><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class="">Marcus</span></div><div id="appendonsend" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline-block; width: 813.390625px;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, January 2, 2022 1:32 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??</font><div class=""> </div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="purple" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="x_WordSection1"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So, what does a healthy 2040 community look like. What are we working TOWARD, here. Once of the things that the Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me was my feeling that, in a chaotic world, people like me,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">planners,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>are just out of tune with the world. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">By the way, I think “surfing the web” , as it has been used, is a terrible metaphor. What most of us do is like water skiing the web. Bouncing over the wake, never actually getting into the water. Gives surfing a bad name. A surfer finds the few survivable paths through an immense concentration of hostile forces. Surfing is more like martial arts. In fact we must begin to surf the web. To realize the manners in which its hostile forces constrain us and find the few paths that allow us to master those forces and come out of the curl safely. We thought it was a playground; now we see it’s a minefield. </div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">n</div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nick Thompson</div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,-Fd2M0MU4wX5y1N6mhhnNrFlsG64cdcJ8jOErlxB0hvFzR4dcEnKSSt2EqX5s2fb-wPOBqSH4X2Ap1mYP24zv3_muYGYijRLpnFKTxxN3dQyGtSp1B6x&typo=1" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></div></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Marcus Daniels<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, January 2, 2022 2:18 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??</div></div></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Nick writes:</span></div></div><div class=""><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">< </span><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);" class="">Imagined a world in which we all worked at home, everything was on zoom, and everything was delivered by Amazon by drone. I realize this is a reductio, but hum along with me for a few bars. There would be no intermediate social landscape between the home and the distribution center. No intermediate human scales. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""></span></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);" class="">I can’t say immediately why this would be a bad thing, but my gut doesn’t like it.></span></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);" class="">I can't think of many examples where the intermediate scales are anything but wasteful or intrusive. Maybe to see a tailor coupled to the purchase of certain clothes? I still drive to services (dentist, doctor, hair stylist), just not to redistributors, because they don't really add anything. There's still a farmer's market that seems as popular as ever -- but they DO offer something unique. I can drive five minutes to Home Depot but honestly half the time their inventory is exhausted for what I want, and I end up ordering it online. </span></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);" class="">Marcus </span></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);" class=""> </span></p></div><div class="x_MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center" class=""></div><div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:</span></b><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, January 2, 2022 1:03 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??</span></div><div class=""><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Marcus,</div><p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I would like to be convinced …. But</div><p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Imagined a world in which we all worked at home, everything was on zoom, and everything was delivered by Amazon by drone. I realize this is a reductio, but hum along with me for a few bars. There would be no intermediate social landscape between the home and the distribution center. No intermediate human scales. </div><p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I can’t say immediately why this would be a bad thing, but my gut doesn’t like it.</div><p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nick</div><p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nick Thompson</div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,p4rsPfl7qCnkvPDXzYT5M-1fZBZKaCDIB1z2Osc-CfFDLgw598S0mD13_Sppk4ua_2uMIZVWNAECmtZ8s2kblHg2quJex4YawfboMGbRTDU_u15bu8836eLAHQ,,&typo=1" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a></div></div><p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Marcus Daniels<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, January 2, 2022 1:38 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??</div></div></div><p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I can see living without Facebook (I do), but why can't we live with Amazon? It seems like they did a pretty good job of displacing the likes of Walmart. It could happen again. What added inherent value do stores have, other than as a mechanism to prevent he consolidation of market influence w.r.t. to prices?</span></div></div><div class="x_MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="1" width="98%" align="center" class=""></div><div id="x_x_divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:</span></b><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, January 2, 2022 12:03 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??</span></div><div class=""><p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I just listened to this podcast</div><p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2ffeeds.megaphone.fm%2fVMP5489734702&c=E,1,G87ToIzgI5DT4ZpiKuXcRc2EHcS4lpVgIftU98yiNor7PFNa9lCoDMtpA2GT4_2eudXeeatF6BgR-Peqwvf8pBQOnsbOiuYBI693rGSZCjDA8-JbvEUZ&typo=1" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://feeds.megaphone.fm/VMP5489734702</a></div><p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">a conversation between the former prosecutor, Joyce Vance, and the musician, financier, turncoat Facebook investor Roger Mcnamee, who likens this moment with big tech to the moment before the food industry regulations of the early 1900’s and anti-pollution legislation of the 60’s, moments when Da People reasserted control over over-weening industry interests. He is author of the book,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Zucked</i>.</div><p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">An hour-long pod cast is a terribly inefficient way to learn about something, so I hope that one you, for whom none of this is news, can offer a more condensed source.</div><p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We are basically talking about the Amazon paradox, here: can’t live with it; can’t live without it. How much ARE we willing to pay to have the trains run on time?</div><p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As usual, I am in need of instruction. </div><p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nick Thompson</div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,AekdfP2MBl31iUxGjknOMPY6CLKTWZ0Uy_4dTUwGKgNke6kg7BN0qwu3VC8xzay12y6vtDYGszhL0ussBgpgtjOzZjJu9AWkUutwzgaFOibLSYQ0DDICSZg,&typo=1" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); 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