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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Well, first things first. Is there any evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality. You can, of course, have a trait that it is chromosomally determined (if not genetically so) and still not heritable. Sex, for instance. Sex is not heritable. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My assumption has always been that homosexuality might be influence by innate factors, but not be heritable. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I haven\u2019t read up on that subject for 2 decades. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Anybody know any facts? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>n<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 8, 2022 5:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> FriAM <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It seems like such a dumb question to ask. Why should any preference have a genetic basis? How about look for a gene that encodes a preference for plush carpeting or a preference for Flamenco music? And what about those men that like short women?! Maybe a man is kind of like a tall woman, on average? And why would anyone expect that it would be bimodal? If it were what would that tell us? One could imagine homosexuality is just one manifestation of cognitive or emotional flexibility. That by itself would explain why it is enduring, because those properties would give a person an advantage over less flexible people. Some fraction of the people with that property have heterosexual or bisexual relationships, and they reproduce and raise children that thrive. The rigid (heterosexual) types in comparison are prone to making the same kind of mistakes over and over and their children suffer for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of </span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;color:black'>\u26e7</span><span style='color:black'> glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 8, 2022 4:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> FriAM <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm in an ongoing argument with a gay friend about how tortured Darwinian arguments are in accounting for homosexuality. He claims they're VERY torturous. I'm inclined toward the first mentioned here: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486">https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486</a><br><br>But, were group selection and/or cultural evolution a thing, then my friend would be more right. Anyone here have a strong opinion?<br><br>-- <br>glen <span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif'>\u26e7</span><br><br><br>.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<br>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives:<br> 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>