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<p>15 years ago, my daughter did her PhD research in HPV... a great
deal of her time was spent "cloning human skin and giving it
warts". She was (is) a died-in-the-wool vegetarian and
humanitarian and she was a little squeamish about that aspect of
her work, but couldn't put her finger on why exactly. She gifted
me a copy of the biography of Henrietta Lacks which was
fascinating. I don't know if her skin cells were HeLa, I see lots
of progress in the field of inducing skin cells to develop into
STEM cells (and even into embryos!) so I assume it was possible
and perhaps preferred for the same reason HeLa is used in other
fields.<br>
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<p> I myself have been mostly vegetarian most of my adulthood and
while I still can be persuaded that meat-eating is something
humans have evolved to be good at, I believe as omnivores, we are
also very capable of living well on a vegetarian and even vegan
diets. When I have deviated from vegetarianism, it has been the
usual suspects starting with bacon and hamburgers but including
chicken and steak. Most of my peers who avoid red-meat don't
seem to understand that every chicken-life only yields a few
10-piece nugget McMeals or a couple of fajita plates. I started
my vegetarianism as a boycott against industrial meat-production
and the animal cruelty implicit in it, but now it is
augmented/dominated by my assumptions about planet-scale
sustainability of same.<br>
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<p>I think "growing meat in a vat" is no better (or worse) of a
solution to our global problems than replacing 4000lb ICE vehicles
with 5000lb EVs... while it might be "a good start" or part of a
"transition strategy" it ignores the first-order misunderstanding
of the carrying capacity of our biosphere (as discussed in
earlier/alternate threads here). Sure, if the 1% ers are the
only ones that drive (Electric) Hummers and eat 16oz Steaks (3D
printed from vat grown muscle/bone/fat?) daily (even weekly) then
these solutions are probably close to optimal for the moment
(decade or two). But that is not the world I (want to) live in,
and one would hope 99% would not want to either (though there is
an aspirational logic to richy-rich wannabes who support/promote
obscene wealth because they imagine they themselves are on an arc
to that kind of imbalance).<br>
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<p>Regarding meat-chickens. When COVID hit, the first thing I did
was run down to my local farm store and adopt 12 sex-linked chicks
to raise for eggs. I avoided hatching my own from fertilized eggs
mainly because I didn't want to take responsibility for the
roughly 50% male chickens I would get. Sex-Linked chicks are
easily sexed because their gross appearance is significantly
different between genders. I understand that the bulk of the
males "culled" to send only laying hens to the likes of me are
pushed into the meat-production industry, though I know in some
contexts DaveW's and EricS's images of culled/discarded male
chicks (smokestacks like holocaust camps) are very real... Most
other meat animals are "harvested" young, as they reach their full
growth while remaining tender. Veal is an extreme version of
this. Veal and Pate' seem like good candidates for
vat-growing. <br>
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<p>My original point about neutering (male) pets and work animals
was more about blunting testosterone-driven behaviour (i.e.
aggression, dominance, and confinement resistance). The
Libertarians here may want to point out that human males are being
neutered culturally and circumstantially (and I don't entirely
disagree, and I think the resulting dissonance is a huge problem
for society).</p>
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<p>Grumble,</p>
<p> - Steve<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 1/25/22 8:48 AM, Frank
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<div dir="auto">Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters?<br>
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<p>Top hit on my google... not sure if US is very different
from AU:</p>
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<div>---<br>
Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
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505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 25, 2022,
8:45 AM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
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<p>We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden,
slaughter many of them young (e.g. this is where most
of our beef and chicken come from).</p>
<p>We do this for various reasons that are not entirely
unrelated to the larger conversation here...<br>
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<div>On 1/25/22 7:35 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Never too late, Merle.<br>
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<div>On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff
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they should have drowned the boys.</div>
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Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly <<a
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<div dir="auto">---<br>
Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
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505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM</div>
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Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dave
is right. Development experts have
known for a long time that when
girls get educated and women hold
jobs outside the home they are much
more likely to control
childbearing. However, the culture
must change everywhere, and it
happens quite slowly with lots of
pushback. Check out the new protest
and direct action movement that's
happening with young men
demonstrating in the streets in S.
Korea. ("A Vicious Anti-Feminist
Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe
And Mail, 1/22.)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On
Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof
David West <<a
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<div style="font-family:Arial">It
has been known for a long time
that the most effective means
of birth / population control
was educating girls, followed
closely by empowering girls,
e.g., with micro-loans to
start businesses. I remember
studying this topic way back
in the 80s in my anthropology
graduate program.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">davew<br>
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<div>On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at
9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:15px">China's
population has stopped
growing--primarily
because there are more
urban educated
workers, especially
women. ></span></span></span><br>
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<div><span
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style="color:rgb(32,31,30)"><span><span style="font-size:15px">Estimate
in Hawken's book was
the 6th largest
potential reduction
for CO2 drawdown
came from educating
girls. His
reference was:</span></span></span></span><br>
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[FRIAM] health care
logistics</span></span>
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population has stopped
growing--primarily
because there are more
urban educated
workers, especially
women.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon,
Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11
PM Frank Wimberly <<a
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<div>Excellent,
Marcus. <br>
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<div dir="auto">Eric,
if it's less than
90% it still would
have be
significant. Two
problems, "God"
has tricks for
making babies. As
for 1 child per
couple didn't they
"terminate" some
babies (not
fetuses, feti?),
particularly
females? My
impression is that
their population
has grown
substantially
notwithstanding
those policies.<br>
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<div>Frank<br>
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<div>Frank C.
Wimberly<br>
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<div>140 Calle
Ojo Feliz, <br>
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<div>Santa Fe,
NM 87505<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>505
670-9918<br>
</div>
<div>Santa Fe,
NM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On
Mon, Jan 24, 2022,
6:38 PM Marcus
Daniels <<a
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<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size:12pt">Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we
can't agree to
basic, never
mind
interesting
things: I'd
just like to
report that
the James Webb
telescope is
in L2 orbit.
Score one for
the
negotiating,
patient,
subtlety-appreciating
scientists and
their
counterparts
in government.<br>
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2022 6:01 PM<br>
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<div>You know,
as I read your
characterization, Marcus, it took me back to Hannah Arendt’s description
of feudal
Europe and the
role of the
Rothschilds
and other big
Jewish
quasi-stateless
fixer families
in relation to
the feudal
lords. Fussy
and indirect
seems somehow
very close to
the right
picture of the
stateless ones
navigating
always through
the cracks and
seams,
compared to
the blunt
moves of the
ones who had
states.
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<div>I have
some
discomfort
that this
doesn’t quite
map. Yet it
seems not
fully
dissimilar.<br>
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<div>Eric<br>
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<div>On Jan
24, 2022, at
7:19 PM,
Marcus Daniels
<<a
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wrote:<br>
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font-size:12pt">SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic
declaration.
It would be
interesting to
see how that
influence
network feeds
into a D.C.
influencer
network and
real money.
There are
some linkages,
like
Brookings, but
leverage-wise
it all seems
much softer
than with LANL
and the DOE.
And it all
seems so fussy
and indirect
compared to
slapping down
a few billion
dollars to
build a
Starship.
That's the
appeal of
Musk: I'm
f'ing doing
this. <br>
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<div><span
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<div>Well,
that ain't
true, either.
Like Epstein,
when you
"invest" in
the SFI or
people like
Steven Pinker
or Bill
Clinton,
you're simply
transferring
from one store
to another ...
buying
influence. If,
e.g., the CIA
contracts with
the SFI to
adapt a CAS
modeling tool
into a broad
spectrum
simulation
tool, they are
not only
buying a
(questionable)
piece of
software;
they're buying
*leverage*
over people's
salaries,
loyalty, etc.
So those VCs
*will* see
that money
again, perhaps
much less of
it, depending
on the
efficiency of
the
transaction,
or in fringe
storage types
(able to get
past the
receptionist
after eating
over-priced
peri-Mexican
food in order
to have tea
with smart
people).<br>
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<div>On
1/24/22 15:31,
Marcus Daniels
wrote:<br>
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<div>> Some
of them
sponsor SFI
for goodness'
sake!
They'll never
see THAT money
again!<br>
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<div>glen<br>
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<div>Theorem
3. There
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