<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I don’t remember hearing about infanticides, Frank, though there is much I miss that does happen.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When Marc Feldman used to report on these things to us — he having been in the advising team to the Chinese government for their 1-child policy — he said the main instrument of gender imbalance was the ultrasound. To the extent that daughters got drafted into service of other’s parents, while sons were drafted into service of their own parents, there was some level of non-medically-driven abortion of girls. It is easy to imagine, of course, that there are rural areas that have access to government enforcement but not to ultrasound, though much more 30 years ago than now.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Feldman said two things, one of which is an empirical claim and the other interpretive. The empirical is probably trustworthy. He said there was some province (or probably smaller region) where it wasn’t customary that married women always get carried off to the husband’s family, and that there, they did not see the sex ratio departing from whatever is its natural level, which I think is barely boy-biased to a degree that traditionally could have compensated for the excess death rates of boys in early life. The interpretive thing he said was that, when questioned about what drove families to selectively abort until they had boy children, the number-1 answer they gave was not old-age material want, but a wish “to carry on the family name”. Feldman seemed to think this was important, as an instance of the ineffable trumping the effable. I hold the claim in some reserve, because the justification people give for doing something may or may not be what a neo-Skinnerian would call the actual cause.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The other thing that I’m not sure I follow in the Seibert and Rees narrative is how a 1-child policy gets us to a 90% reduction in a few decades. log2(0.1) ~ -3.32, so 1-child gets us to 10% in about 70 years if a generation is 20 years. But that’s just details.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 24, 2022, at 9:11 PM, Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" class="">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Excellent, Marcus.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per couple didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly females? My impression is that their population has grown substantially notwithstanding those policies.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Frank<br class=""><br class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class="">---<br class="">Frank C. Wimberly<br class="">140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br class="">Santa Fe, NM 87505<br class=""><br class="">505 670-9918<br class="">Santa Fe, NM</div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" class="">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we can't agree to basic, never mind interesting things: I'd just like to report that the James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating, patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and the role of the Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless
fixer families in relation to the feudal lords. Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to the right picture of the stateless ones navigating always through the cracks and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had states.
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SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic declaration. It would be interesting to see how that influence network feeds into a D.C. influencer network and real money. There are some linkages, like Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer
than with LANL and the DOE. And it all seems so fussy and indirect compared to slapping down a few billion dollars to build a Starship. That's the appeal of Musk: I'm f'ing doing this. </div>
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<div class="">Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI or people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply transferring from one store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the CIA contracts with the
SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into a broad spectrum simulation tool, they are not only buying a (questionable) piece of software; they're buying *leverage* over people's salaries, loyalty, etc. So those VCs *will* see that money again, perhaps much less
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