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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/22 10:01 PM, Marcus Daniels
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<p>yes to electrolizing water into hydrogen (and even creating
ammonia as a more easily stored/transported/cracked "carrier" for
hydrogen, up to ammonia fuel cells, etc.) technically very
likely and "doable" with a somewhat limited *known* downside.
Though the fossil fuel and battery industries have a long enough
list... but clearly biased. We neo-luddites have long lists as
well, with similar caveats. I was raised by Calvinists so I
recognize in myself when I am generally just being negative about
anything that might be "fun", but that doesn't stop me from being
skeptical anyway. I am also of the "if it feels good, do it"
generation... extreme Hedonism and Calvinism only polarize an
otherwise complex and rich space. TANSTAAFL in my
(post-Libertarian) vocabulary is "there aint no such thing as a
free lunch, but that doesn't mean you can't eat someone else's
when they aren't looking".<br>
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<p>And yes to Musk being a puzzling and mixed hero/villain. I
don't doubt his *intentions*, I think they are (by his values and
view of the stakes at hand) righteous. That doesn't preclude him
being an egomaniac with an exponentially growing clout/sense
ratio. I can't see any of his earth-focused tech as anything but
a (very well crafted) double-pronged strategy... gathering the
economic leverage of doing "useful" things on the earth
(electrifying and solarizing)... whilst developing technology
useful for colonizing/terraforming mars. CO2 harvesting is an
obvious one, as is tunneling and broad electrification (are his
residential heat-pumps on the market yet?)... perfect for taking
to Mars.<br>
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<p>I believe that GeoEngineering is inevitable, given who we are
(Homo Faber) but I also believe our future exercises in this realm
will "rhyme" with all of our previous engineering "miracles".
Maybe we *can* rhyme our way out of the corner we rhymed ourselves
into... but I fear that most if not all of our R&D is biased
toward short-term and narrow goals (Glen's rant about "values" and
corruption), and defined by confirmation biases...</p>
<p>I'm probably just barking at the church choir here...</p>
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