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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">and a salient point is that the likes
of Putin and Trump (and by association/extension Boebert and
Greene) are constantly trying to adjust the "value system" within
which many of the rest of us strive to remain.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t see a clear dividing line between
“at home” and “not at home”. I mean come on, who are these
feral creatures?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, just do the right (responsible)
thing. If it happens to be the moral thing to do within some
value system, that’s great too.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Roger Critchlow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 2, 2022 1:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] war footing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mrcus --<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry, that comment was directed to the
thread as a whole after reading through it in a doctors
waiting room. The quip was shared in haste as my turn was
called because it was too good to let pass. It didn't
mean to apply to your comment directly. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- rec --<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 2:29 PM Marcus
Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Let
me put it another way. Even if one takes the view
that the only goal in life is to be better off than
the other guy, it is important to recognize the
consequences of things and factor that into a plan.
Because if one doesn’t, then being better off than
the other guy may not be sustainable. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Critchlow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 2, 2022 11:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] war footing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Which
part of 'not being able to do things for the "right"
reasons' do you not comprehend?<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">--rec
--<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
Wed, Mar 2, 2022, 1:06 PM Marcus Daniels <<a
href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Anyone
that has worked for a large company has
probably experienced regular teleconferences
with colleagues in different countries.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It
soon becomes clear that there is an
unbelievable variance in salaries. Yes, some
of it just adjusts for cost of living. U.S.
leads the world, except perhaps for
Switzerland. Then there are countries like
India which have a massive workforce but get
paid next to nothing. On one hand
globalization leads to exploitation of
vulnerable populations, but on the other hand
it leads to raised expectations over time. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My
point is that a UBI (or reparations) in the
U.S. would reduce conflict within this
country, but it won’t address the potential
international productivity crisis that is
coming. If the U.S. doesn’t support raising
the standard of living for people throughout
the world, at some point we will suffer for it
because we are too expensive. (And really
everyone is at risk from automation sooner or
later.) Our privilege shouldn’t be jealously
guarded, as the nativists argue, it should be
shared to lower the potential violence that
could occur if we are seen as a bad guy like
Putin. Trump was just a dumb and incompetent
version of Putin.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gillian Densmore<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 2, 2022 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] war footing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For
cars Hydrogen, compressed air, mixed with
electric. On paper (or plugged into a
wall) is pretty cool as an idea...if we
can, ya know, guild recharge stations
similarly to how we build gas stations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Pardon
the interruption though. But it's all fine
and good to be perplexed, or triggered or
what ever by Russia and the (former)
eastern block. Going postal....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Any
plans to put the same energy into fixing
super hard problems at home? I hear that
a lot of people are one paycheck from
being homeless. and no one's going out to
lobby the
&&&&&&&&
out of a Weekly allowance aka UBI.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:32 AM Marcus
Daniels <<a
href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">One
option is mixing hydrogen with natural
gas to reduce how much needs to be
imported. IMO there’s nothing that
motivates progress in technology than
having a working production system
that can be made incrementally better
(e.g. the 20 TB hard drives one can
buy these days). A production ITER
type system is still a long way off.
Note that Germany has its own
Stellarator platform that perhaps they
could accelerate.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="https://www.offshore-energy.biz/germany-to-break-free-from-russian-gas-with-two-lng-terminals/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.offshore-energy.biz/germany-to-break-free-from-russian-gas-with-two-lng-terminals/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="https://www.engie.com/en/businesses/gas/hydrogen/power-to-gas/the-grhyd-demonstration-project"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.engie.com/en/businesses/gas/hydrogen/power-to-gas/the-grhyd-demonstration-project</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="https://www.ipp.mpg.de/5125328/05_21?c=14226" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ipp.mpg.de/5125328/05_21?c=14226</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yes,
time to abandon that gas station.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Critchlow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 2,
2022 9:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning
Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:Friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] war footing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'm
thinking that a way to escalate our
response to Putin, without actually
fighting him, is to build a "green
war machine". Start a crash project
to research, develop, and deliver
the technology to liberate our
european allies from their energy
dependencies on russian oil and
gas. And everyone else as a side
effect.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">That
this is all stuff that we *cough*
should be doing anyway is bonus
content. But what we can't seem
to do for the "right" reasons
might be easily done as a way to
thwart an enemy who is so
successfully making himself the
most reviled man of our age.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Longer
term, the economic effects of the
sanctions, the social effects of
the ukrainian refugee crisis, and
the demoralization of watching
brute force in action are going to
hurt our side a lot. That may be
Putin's actual endgame for the
"operation" while he pretends to
be Trump. Better to be doing
something positive than to be
waiting around to see how it turns
out.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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rec --<o:p></o:p></p>
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