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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:30 AM, cody dooderson <<a href="mailto:d00d3rs0n@gmail.com" class="">d00d3rs0n@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I didn't know how important and misunderstood clouds are to the global warming models. I really hope they will offer some sort of negative warming feedback. What are peoples opinions on geoengineering tricks like solar-dimming?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think a global ban on automobiles would go a long way in GGE, without having to resort to nuclear winter and massive population culling. I am also a proponent of getting rid of automobiles because I am totally sick of them. I would really like to be able to leave my house without having to constantly dodge speeding hunks of metal. </div><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">Cody Smith</div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:01 AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" class="">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)" class="">This is an active area of climate science research because there are both positive and negative feedback loops from an increase in water vapor and cloud formation,
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Merle, does water vapor in the stratosphere cause cooling, like an umbrella, or warming, like a blanket?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:38 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank" class="">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Not to be too much of a hydrogen fanboi here, but it looks like we would for many generation cases still be ahead compared to where we are with fossil.
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif" class="">First, the color code. "Green" hydrogen, produced by electrolysis is expensive, so it's produced by steam reforming--cheaper, but
it uses natural gas as a feedstock and produces "grey" hydrogen which contributes nothing to climate change mitigation. But "grey" can become "blue" hydrogen when the CO2 is captured by carbon storage techniques that are very doubtful on many levels. </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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when hydrogen combines with oxygen in the stratosphere to form water vapor, which also contributes to climate change. Finally, the entire process of hydrogen production, transport, distribution, storage and use is affected by common leaks that release gas
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<h1 style="margin-top:0in" class=""><span style="font-family:"PT Serif",serif;text-transform:uppercase" class="">BY <a href="https://www.abqjournal.com/author/krobinson-avila" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(0,153,189)" class="">KEVIN ROBINSON-AVILA / JOURNAL STAFF WRITER</span></a></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></h1><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"PT Serif",serif" class="">PUBLISHED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:47PM<br class="">
UPDATED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:52PM</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"PT Serif",serif" class=""><a href="https://www.abqjournal.com/2478078/international-firm-to-invest-254m-in-abq-hydrogen-factory.html?utm_source=single-post-notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=International%20firm%20to%20invest%20$254M%20in%20ABQ%20hydrogen%20factory&utm_edition=202203102152" target="_blank" class=""><span style="" class=""> </span></a></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">
<span style="font-family:"PT Serif",serif;color:rgb(33,37,41)" class="">Universal Hydrogen — an international company with modular hydrogen storage technology for planes, ground transportation and heavy manufacturing — will invest $254 million in a new manufacturing and distribution
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