<div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px">>>The maximalist MAD scenario is a made-up thing.</span><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px">As are orange juice futures. Useful as a trade instrument, but you don't want to take delivery.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px">C</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 08:18 Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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One issue seems to be classified tech.
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<div><a href="https://dnyuz.com/2022/03/09/screw-removal-allows-us-to-send-classified-stinger-missiles-to-ukraine/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://dnyuz.com/2022/03/09/screw-removal-allows-us-to-send-classified-stinger-missiles-to-ukraine/</a></div>
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<div>We can always make more classified tech.</div>
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<div>I agree completely. Stand for something or fall for nothing. The maximalist MAD scenario is a made-up thing.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:07 AM, glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">\ufeff<span>We call on Biden to reject reckless demands for a no-fly zone</span><br>
<span>We deplore Russia\u2019s aggression. However, it strains credulity to think that a US war with Russia would make the American people safer or more prosperous</span><br>
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<span>Directly on the heels of counter-arguing with EricC about the inadequacy of hypocrisy as an argument, this open letter "peacenick" rhetoric really gets on my nerves. The sanctions are anemic, and damn near cowardly. The tagline to the open letter "safer
or more prosperous" is spot on. Because *that's* why we do things, right? So we can be safe and prosperous? Safety and prosperity are the foundations of our ethics? Bullshit.</span><br>
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<span>Buffers and proxy wars are the epitome of manipulative exploitation. I'm no war-monger. But this democratic backsliding and trend toward dictators with leaders like Modi, Orbán, Lukashenko, et al *are* the actual front line. And that front line isn't
geographical. It's ethical.</span><br>
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<span>War, even nuclear, might serve as a tacit demonstration to our right-wing friends that freedom, the word they love so much, doesn't lie in safety and prosperity. It lies in the recognition of, and united stance against, exploitative bullies.</span><br>
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<span>We're lucky I'm not in charge, I guess. 8^D</span><br>
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<span>On 3/11/22 02:49, David Eric Smith wrote:</span><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span> The notion of \u201cusing\u201d buffer states \u2014 which I hate, by the way, as an attitude of consigning people and regions to disposability categories \u2014 as a way to allow graded responses and stalemates from which large bully-powers could
withdraw, would have been the template for most alliance treaties.</span><br>
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