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Related to the climate change apocalypse, PG&E has Public Safety Power Shutoffs that impact especially people that live in high fire risk areas.  People that have experienced shutoffs more than twice can get batteries reimbursed. [1]
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<div>With regard to the load balancing issue I was thinking more how I could rationalize a purchase of a car using proceeds from my electricity sales (as the car sits there).  Neighbors’ summer A/C surge powered by my car at a high (but fair!) rate.<br>
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<div>[1] <a href="https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/save-energy-money/savings-solutions-and-rebates/understand-the-solar-process.page">https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/save-energy-money/savings-solutions-and-rebates/understand-the-solar-process.page</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:00 PM, David Eric Smith <desmith@santafe.edu> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>It seems like the sales pitch on this is always for emergency backup power.  (And of course, Ford, advertising to Americans, will always go for the (always-afraid, but still) he-man survivalist meme.)  But it seems that at least a decade
 ago, and perhaps two, when the need for load balancing to make wind or solar power at all compatible with current demand schedules, it was proposed that all these EVs we would be building anyway, should just be designed as part of the load-balancing capacity.
  I am surprised I see so little commentary about a system-level design for load balancing, using anything that has batteries in it to minimize duplicating and then under-utilizing storage capacity.</span><br>
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<span>Or maybe there is such language, and like much else, I just don’t follow enough to know about it.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mar 13, 2022, at 2:41 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com> wrote:</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I totally don't need a pickup, but as the apocalypse approaches (pick your favorite!) this is kind of cool.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03/californias-utility-will-begin-testing-ev-vehicle-to-grid-charging/</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:43 AM</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>+1 Even though I have a pickup that I don't use as intended, my experiments with the motorcycle and bicycle for everyday commuting have failed for the most part. But I'd push for a compromise within a spectrum of non-car solutions,
 a manifold approach like:</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>1) ban all cars from downtown areas,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>2) build bike-sized personal transport that doesn't depend on balanced control,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>3) optimize for multi-person transport between dense populations and oft-traveled routes,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>4) self-driving cars for diaspora into suburban/rural areas.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Bicycles/skateboards/scooters don't work for all sorts of reasons (sight, balance, carpal tunnel, rain/snow/ice, freight, etc.). People movers only work for some use cases. Etc. ≥4 person things like cars have obvious problems,
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Part of the problem, of course, would be to get enough people on board, to centralize the plan enough, to make it do any good ... for the climate or whatever problems we're trying to solve.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>On 3/11/22 09:30, cody dooderson wrote:</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I think a global ban on automobiles would go a long way in GGE, without having to resort to nuclear winter and massive population culling. I am also a proponent of getting rid of automobiles because I am totally sick of them. I
 would really like to be able to leave my house without having to constantly dodge speeding hunks of metal.</span><br>
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