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      <div dir="auto">I hope the imperial measurement system is the next
        thing to go. <br>
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    <p>Yah... I can't wait for 10 hour days with 100 days a year and 10,
      10 day months or would it be 10 10 m-week m-months made up of 10
      m-day m-weeks and 10 m-hour m-days?  10,000 m-hour-things a year? 
      Each m-hour made up of 100 m-minutes and 100 m-seconds per
      m-minute? or 10,000 m-seconds per m-hour?   I think that is
      roughly 52 old-minutes per m-hour so about 2 m-minutes per
      old-minute and about 1.6 old-second per m-minute?   Is that 10^8
      m-seconds per year?   And a purist would probably insist on there
      being 10&10 m-seconds per year, though we could instead use
      m-msecs as our atomic unit of perception, though that would be
      10^11 ?  Or settle for m-centi-secs?  I might barely be able to
      perceptually recognize things at that level since it is vaguely
      down near the frequencies where <br>
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    <p>I'm not sure how to get the sun and moon to sign up for all
      that.  Or revert everything to sexigesimal instead... maybe add a
      finger on each hand to simplify the counting thing?<br>
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    <p>In the kitchen and with lumber and cordage I find halves and
      quarters and even eighths easier to work with than tenths.   I get
      the convenience of metric for calculation with decimal number
      systems...   but dividing things into halves and halves of halves
      and even thirds is a pretty compelling intuitive process. 
      Sexigesimal (60) invokes 5ths  as well which then
      supports/allows/extends the ability to divide by 2,3,5 or more
      elaborately 360 base with 3,4,5,6 divisors.   I find that playing
      cards (solitaire and some rummy-like-games) as a child informed me
      in base 4 (suites) base 13 (ace-king) and therefore base 52
      intuitions which ultimately spilled over into weeks of the
      moon(th) and moon(ths) of the year.   Quartering the Moon and Sun
      cycle gives us intuitively compelling (registered on nature's
      evident rhythms) basis for 7-day weeks and 3 moon(th) Seasons of
      sorts.   I've never experienced directly a lunar calendar but have
      friends who are Muslim who end up with a lunar-solar sense of
      annual scheduling.  I think if I lived in a more
      temperate/equatorial geography, lunar/lunar-solar might be more
      obvious.   Also if I lived more outside of a climate controlled
      house and did more night-time hunting/warring, the phases of the
      moon would be (yet) more evident/important.<br>
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    <p>- Gramble<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 15, 2022
                    at 5:34 PM Steve Smith <<a
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                    On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:<br>
                    > Please pass <br>
                    > <a
href="https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent/"
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                    <br>
                    ><br>
                    > I had to google that this wasn't early April
                    fools, or that I was <br>
                    > misreading things.<br>
                    <br>
                    except they got it backwards?   People who *like*
                    getting up and going <br>
                    to work before the sun comes up should find a job
                    where that is <br>
                    rewarded, or at least accepted... there are many.  
                    But how many folks <br>
                    want to walk into work from the parking lot in the
                    dark at 8AM?<br>
                    <br>
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                    I'm a bit of a purist, wanting the sun to be at
                    "high noon" at noontime <br>
                    and the sunrise and sunset roughly symmetric around
                    that moment.  It is <br>
                    a tiny and ideological thing, so I get it that
                    nobody else cares.<br>
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                  <div>Agreed that noon. 'high noon' is when the sun is
                    at the top of the sky. </div>
                  <div>And we have. Or at least probably have any number
                    of simple tech fixes to get  a lot of sunshine
                    through the day for any given location. such that
                    noon at <b
style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">35°
                      41' 29.5584'' N and 105° 56' 39.0588'' W</b><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">. 
                      For Santa Fe, NM </span></div>
                  <div>means that sensors and some kind of geo-location
                    hack for clocks, computers etc know to make
                    adjustments through out the year to make sure noon
                    means the sun is pretty close to the top of the sky
                    on a y axis for those coordinates.</div>
                  <div>lol but I have a feeling words like:
                    probabilities, statistically even, Y-axis, optimal,
                    random, and simply give us enough F'n sunshine. For
                    the white house would make to many peoples eyes
                    glaze over. just getting to have one or the other is
                    a pretty good solid step. Dynamic Time adjustments
                    can come along shortly.</div>
                  <div>What's kind of funny is Arizona has been quietly
                    sitting around going  we're working just fine, you
                    don't need to...ok how long is this weirdness going
                    to keep going.</div>
                  <div>I wonder how many tongs got bitten on to not do a
                    told you so. and how many more going to be pretty
                    sore for quite a while if/when it passes.</div>
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                    but... whatever... I have very few schedules
                    enforced on me, and those <br>
                    that are are generally not as arbitrary as the
                    MDT/DST differences.<br>
                    <br>
                    > Now it just needs to get passed the court
                    jester and man who looks and <br>
                    > sounds like a constipated turtle: Mconnel.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Gives me a little hope for UBI and a NHS.<br>
                    ><br>
                    I'd like to think that a unanimous decision like
                    this might help break <br>
                    up some of the corrosion in the system keeping it
                    locked up, but I think <br>
                    the GOP (goofy old party) has too much invested in
                    things that the UBI <br>
                    and NHS would confront.<br>
                    <br>
                    LOL I like how you think. And alas, probably right. <br>
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                  <div>I googled how many places don't have a summer or
                    winter clock: a lot don't. Is this graph right that
                    Japan noped out of a summer and winter clock system?</div>
                  <div><a
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                  <div>so what I'm reading is two clocks is limited to
                    only a few places and the rest of the globe is
                    working pretty well with one type of clock?
                    coolness! </div>
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