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<p>Something I've been interested in since the earliest days of
open-sourcing and crowd sourcing has been the challenge of making
sure the data collected, and to some extent the synthetic and
analytic products thereof remain not only in the public domain but
also to be facilitated as aggressively as possible. I know most
of us love to hate Google and Amazon and Facebook for the ways
they monetize our collective input and they have chosen (been
forced to?) give us access to our "own" data in the same way 60's
radical-wanna-bes used to demand to see their FBI file. <br>
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<p>Tom Johnson's engagement in the open Journalism and open Gov/Data
efforts is one thrust, but/and I think we need something further,
though I don't know exactly how much. I've a younger friend who
evolved from learning data-science as a hydrogeologist working for
a remote-sensing (satellite-ag-industry) startup in SFe to getting
swallowed up by the likes of Monsanto to jumping ship for an
entirely open-source/data project that effectively competes but
also supports these commercial efforts (because they are much more
prepared to exploit the databases). Zingale's participation (as
I understand it) straddles that line as well, contributing and
synthesizing highly useful data in the molecular informatics
space, much of which becomes implicitly available to "everyone"
whilst being (yet more) leveraged by the commercial effort
itself. Just over a year ago, the Mapillary project (first person
GeoSpatial/navigational/imaging like Streetview) whose
data/algorithms were open source and leveraged by crowd-sourced
collection was bought out by Facebook for some Meta AR purpose. I
can't tell how much of the crowd-sourced data and what was
synthesized by it remains as open as was implied by the promise of
crowd-sourcing. The list goes on and the issues get more
subtle.<br>
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<p>The DNA individual testing seems like a good domain to consider
as well with a modest percent of the population motivated to pay
to be part of the massive data gathering in return for a few hints
about their ancestry and/or health-risks. The data gathered is
technically (always?) available to the consumer, but the true
value is in the collective which is what the companies are
monetizing. I know their are some open-data/source projects to
try to mirror what the private companies are doing, but it
requires customers of the commercial companies to intentionally
download/upload their sequence data. <br>
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<p>All the recommender applications (from Google Search to Netflix
to Google/Yahoo/Facebook Newsfeeds) are right in the middle of
this.</p>
<p>I'd be curious/interestedin the Kernel-like feedback I could get
by participating, but knowing that the raw data isn't very useful
to me (though maybe moreso than to most) and that Kernel (and
their ilk) are likely to release only the most tiny sliver of
insight they are gaining back to the participants (for a plethora
of reasons, some righteous, others not-so-much).</p>
<p>This feels like a push-comes-to-shove moment in the Free Market
model where the fungible results ("Product" in "Means of
production") are wildly divergent in value qualitatively and
quantitatively.</p>
<p>Mumble,</p>
<p> - Steve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/17/22 9:16 AM, Marcus Daniels
wrote:<br>
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They’ve got the right idea about recruiting though. <a
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<blockquote type="cite">On Mar 15, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Prof
David West <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm"><profwest@fastmail.fm></a> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Kernel has more
sophisticated technology than was available in the late
60's and early 70's, but their basic research plan—as near
as I can discover—is a pale imitation of the extensive
research done by Charles Tart, John Lilly, and a host of
investigators into altered states of consciousness.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;">John Lilly was (in)famous
for his work on human-dolphin communication and
experiments giving dolphins LSD. His group did extensive
research on the use of hallucinogens along with
"programming the biocomputer" techniques to treat various
psychological disorders.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;">My introduction to LSD was
via participation in a research project at Macalester
College (1969). We were wired to a rack mounted computer
system with electrode patches all over our shaved heads
registering brain wave patterns. The study also compared
LSD altered states with meditation and Hatha Yoga induced
states. One experiment used inversion glasses to mess with
perception and the "adjustment phase altered state" while
the brain 're-programmed' itself to an upside-down world.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;"><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Therapeutic effects for
depression were noted then.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">The research done then would
never be approved today because it involved human subjects
and "dangerous" substances: LSD, psylocibin, and
mescaline.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br>
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<div>On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.kernel.com/participate"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.kernel.com/participate</a><br>
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<div><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Merle
Lefkoff<br>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:15 PM<br>
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<div><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] altered states of
consciousness<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style=""><span
class="font"
style="font-family:"Verdana",
sans-serif;">Marcus, please send the link.
Didn't appear in my email. Thanks.</span></span><br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at
3:17 PM Marcus Daniels <<a
href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">Since some of
you are not compulsive link followers, I
will go ahead and include the caption:<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style=""> <br>
</p>
<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">“If you have
tried ketamine or a psychedelic substance in
the past such as, psilocybin (mushrooms),
you may be eligible to enroll in a study
investigating the effects of lowdose
ketamine on the brain.”<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style=""> <br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">What is the
world coming to?<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels<br>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 15, 2022
2:14 PM<br>
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<div><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] altered
states of consciousness<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">I must post
this because I can’t even believe their
advertisements.<br>
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<p class="qt-MsoNormal" style="">Marcus<br>
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