<div dir="ltr">I concede that most natural systems probably do not play nicely with any measurement system. Counting the toes in a group of three toed sloths would probably lend itself to a base 3(or multiple) system. However counting toes in a primate enclosure(maybe the mall during flipflop season) would probably work better on a base ten system. As for calendars, I think the Hobbits got it right with a year consists of 60 x 6 day weeks and 5ish days of heavy feasting at the end of the year. That seems like a nice system. I especially like the 4 day work week. <br><br>The efficiency of the Imperial system in doing almost anything is so slow and prone to errors. I recently built a shed with a pitched roof using a base 16 inch measuring tape. Have you ever tried to calculate the stud height of irregularly spaced studs on a sloped roof in base 16. I had to convert everything to decimal first then convert back in order to do it on my calculator.<div><br><div>Steve, I challenge you to a race without Google searching. Here are some questions in metric and imperial. I will do them in metric and you do them in imperial. Which measurement system is faster?<br><br>1🗺: Alice has 3 x 1 Liter jugs of water in her backpack. How much does the water weigh in grams?</div><div>1🇺🇸: Bob has 3 x 1 gallon jugs of water in his backpack. How much does the water weigh in ounces (not fluid ounces, the other one) ?</div><div><br></div><div>2🗺: A straight road is 10m wide and 40 km long. What is the area of the road in square centimeters?</div><div>2🇺🇸: A straight road is 10ft wide and 40 miles long. What is the area of the road in square inches?</div><div><br></div><div>3🗺: A chip weighs 1kg/meter. What does a 1cm chip weigh in grams?</div><div>3🇺🇸: A french fry weighs 1 pound/yard. What does a 1 inch french fry weigh in ounces?</div><div><div><br></div><div><br><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Cody Smith</div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:12 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="auto">I hope the imperial measurement system is the next
thing to go. <br>
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<p>Yah... I can't wait for 10 hour days with 100 days a year and 10,
10 day months or would it be 10 10 m-week m-months made up of 10
m-day m-weeks and 10 m-hour m-days? 10,000 m-hour-things a year?
Each m-hour made up of 100 m-minutes and 100 m-seconds per
m-minute? or 10,000 m-seconds per m-hour? I think that is
roughly 52 old-minutes per m-hour so about 2 m-minutes per
old-minute and about 1.6 old-second per m-minute? Is that 10^8
m-seconds per year? And a purist would probably insist on there
being 10&10 m-seconds per year, though we could instead use
m-msecs as our atomic unit of perception, though that would be
10^11 ? Or settle for m-centi-secs? I might barely be able to
perceptually recognize things at that level since it is vaguely
down near the frequencies where <br>
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<p>I'm not sure how to get the sun and moon to sign up for all
that. Or revert everything to sexigesimal instead... maybe add a
finger on each hand to simplify the counting thing?<br>
</p>
<p>In the kitchen and with lumber and cordage I find halves and
quarters and even eighths easier to work with than tenths. I get
the convenience of metric for calculation with decimal number
systems... but dividing things into halves and halves of halves
and even thirds is a pretty compelling intuitive process.
Sexigesimal (60) invokes 5ths as well which then
supports/allows/extends the ability to divide by 2,3,5 or more
elaborately 360 base with 3,4,5,6 divisors. I find that playing
cards (solitaire and some rummy-like-games) as a child informed me
in base 4 (suites) base 13 (ace-king) and therefore base 52
intuitions which ultimately spilled over into weeks of the
moon(th) and moon(ths) of the year. Quartering the Moon and Sun
cycle gives us intuitively compelling (registered on nature's
evident rhythms) basis for 7-day weeks and 3 moon(th) Seasons of
sorts. I've never experienced directly a lunar calendar but have
friends who are Muslim who end up with a lunar-solar sense of
annual scheduling. I think if I lived in a more
temperate/equatorial geography, lunar/lunar-solar might be more
obvious. Also if I lived more outside of a climate controlled
house and did more night-time hunting/warring, the phases of the
moon would be (yet) more evident/important.<br>
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<p>- Gramble<br>
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cody dooderson <<a href="mailto:d00d3rs0n@gmail.com" target="_blank">d00d3rs0n@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">For those of you who don't get all of your
news from XKCD, <a href="https://xkcd.com/2594" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://xkcd.com/2594</a> .</div>
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PM Gillian Densmore <<a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>>
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at 5:34 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>>
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On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:<br>
> Please pass <br>
> <a href="https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent/</a>
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><br>
> I had to google that this wasn't early April
fools, or that I was <br>
> misreading things.<br>
<br>
except they got it backwards? People who *like*
getting up and going <br>
to work before the sun comes up should find a job
where that is <br>
rewarded, or at least accepted... there are many.
But how many folks <br>
want to walk into work from the parking lot in the
dark at 8AM?<br>
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I'm a bit of a purist, wanting the sun to be at
"high noon" at noontime <br>
and the sunrise and sunset roughly symmetric around
that moment. It is <br>
a tiny and ideological thing, so I get it that
nobody else cares.<br>
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<div>Agreed that noon. 'high noon' is when the sun is
at the top of the sky. </div>
<div>And we have. Or at least probably have any number
of simple tech fixes to get a lot of sunshine
through the day for any given location. such that
noon at <b style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">35°
41' 29.5584'' N and 105° 56' 39.0588'' W</b><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">.
For Santa Fe, NM </span></div>
<div>means that sensors and some kind of geo-location
hack for clocks, computers etc know to make
adjustments through out the year to make sure noon
means the sun is pretty close to the top of the sky
on a y axis for those coordinates.</div>
<div>lol but I have a feeling words like:
probabilities, statistically even, Y-axis, optimal,
random, and simply give us enough F'n sunshine. For
the white house would make to many peoples eyes
glaze over. just getting to have one or the other is
a pretty good solid step. Dynamic Time adjustments
can come along shortly.</div>
<div>What's kind of funny is Arizona has been quietly
sitting around going we're working just fine, you
don't need to...ok how long is this weirdness going
to keep going.</div>
<div>I wonder how many tongs got bitten on to not do a
told you so. and how many more going to be pretty
sore for quite a while if/when it passes.</div>
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but... whatever... I have very few schedules
enforced on me, and those <br>
that are are generally not as arbitrary as the
MDT/DST differences.<br>
<br>
> Now it just needs to get passed the court
jester and man who looks and <br>
> sounds like a constipated turtle: Mconnel.<br>
><br>
> Gives me a little hope for UBI and a NHS.<br>
><br>
I'd like to think that a unanimous decision like
this might help break <br>
up some of the corrosion in the system keeping it
locked up, but I think <br>
the GOP (goofy old party) has too much invested in
things that the UBI <br>
and NHS would confront.<br>
<br>
LOL I like how you think. And alas, probably right. <br>
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<div>I googled how many places don't have a summer or
winter clock: a lot don't. Is this graph right that
Japan noped out of a summer and winter clock system?</div>
<div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country</a></div>
<div>so what I'm reading is two clocks is limited to
only a few places and the rest of the globe is
working pretty well with one type of clock?
coolness! </div>
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