<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><font color="#0000ff" class=""><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/watch-anti-drone-weapons-test/" class="">https://www.wired.com/story/watch-anti-drone-weapons-test/</a></font><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Boy, if ever I heard women in the background saying condescendingly or contemptuously “boys with toys”, it was in looking at that wired article.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 23, 2022, at 11:32 PM, Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" class="">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Marcus shared:</p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:BYAPR11MB3830DC63514B3D270C139D45C5179@BYAPR11MB3830.namprd11.prod.outlook.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Steve wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“Their offices are in Kiev... they are likely doing advanced skunkworks resistance projects in their labs right now... “<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/starlink-helps-ukraines-elite-drone-unit-target-and-destroy-russian-tanks/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/starlink-helps-ukraines-elite-drone-unit-target-and-destroy-russian-tanks/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">< The Ukrainian unit's "most sophisticated drones are connected using Starlink,"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2farticle%2fspecialist-drone-unit-picks-off-invading-forces-as-they-sleep-zlx3dj7bb&c=E,1,ifxcZjKAd0cxHE-nwMb1E9Cws63Q5v7-I_5OtTdH2SLP1sgE8r2N8AKlHnkHfCH9cOIMSE4ubvhmkwQWXUGLq1p42SCtu4v-9Q4C2UHd5xk,&typo=1" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">The Times of London</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote. "If we use a drone with thermal vision at night, the drone must connect through Starlink to the artillery guy and create target acquisition," an Aerorozvidka officer told the paper.></div></div></blockquote><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">And a Drone entry in the "Dove" column opposite the "Hawk" column:<br class=""></p><blockquote style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><p class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fdraganfly.com%2fnews%2fdraganfly-receives-order-for-critical-lifesaving-drones-from-revived-soldiers-ukraine-for-immediate-deployment-to-ukraine%2f&c=E,1,QIfPZ1Z_6fpA0U5jprLRoUar6e9tphjlyoYje6y83eUohgmLVq6O4PRVNR7PGAzAeszkFRQUo5Gh3jMZTQkTWHnmhvmIY1JzL6i74JN22VlUHoc,&typo=1" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://draganfly.com/news/draganfly-receives-order-for-critical-lifesaving-drones-from-revived-soldiers-ukraine-for-immediate-deployment-to-ukraine/</a></p></blockquote><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">and as is inevitable (IMO), the Red Queen steps up her pace again:</p><blockquote style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><p class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.wired.com/story/watch-anti-drone-weapons-test/" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://www.wired.com/story/watch-anti-drone-weapons-test/</a></p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen%27s_race" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><img moz-do-not-send="true" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Alice_queen2.jpg/450px-Alice_queen2.jpg" alt="" width="449" height="284" border="0" class=""></a><br class=""></blockquote><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Driving us (inexorably) up the increasing slope of the (assumed/imagined) technological singularity?</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Vernor Vinge's early 2000s whimsical view of experiencing that slope is a fascinating reflection, now (only slightly) dated, and somewhat prophetic.</p><blockquote style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><p class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbows_End" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbows_End</a></p></blockquote><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">and a handful of related shorts, novellas, etc. set in the same imagined future (overlapping the lived now we are in).<br class=""></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Vinge (IMO) is classified as one of the SF writers whose credentials as working scientists (Math/CS in his case) suggests a certain credibility to their fiction. He retired from San Diego State CS in 2000 I think, having contributed a great deal of proto-cyberpunk fiction to the canon starting as early as 1991.</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I would be curious to hear others' opinions here about the larger context and implications of the Evolutionary Theoretic Red Queen Hypothesis:</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; 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