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<p>I think I agree with both of you.</p>
<p>As Mary and I navigate our way through our great European
Vacation, we are both learning how to "read" public
transportation, etc. Since she is much more able to hoof
arbitrarily long distances with minimal comfort, a 2km hike to get
from one terminal of public transport to another is within her
idea of "an OK time" while I reserve that as "a desperate
measure". She is much more sensitive to cold/wet/wind than I
am, so a 200M schlep becomes intolerable for her while I would do
it in my t-shirt and sandals.</p>
<p>We are both, by nature, not particularly argumentative,
disagreeable or critical of others (my ramblings here may seem
otherwise?) but I understand Glen's point. I am much more
spatially comfortable than Mary and am left with the task of
sussing out "the best way to get from point A to point B at any
given time under any given circumstances", but because I feel I am
too often a dismal failure with what feels to me to be an exotic
(if not dysfunctional) system with consequences to her (causing us
to have to hike 2km in cold windy wet) I have begun articulating
my best guess of the A->B strategy I have arrived at, not
because I expect her to provide significant critique or even
insight into my ideation, but rather because A) I want her to buy
in to the risks involved; B) I think she *might* recognize a flaw
in my logic, especially after she has tried to parse a handful of
these navigational plans and seen how they go wrong (e.g. "I know
we are at the right bus stop, getting on the right bus-line, but
are we going in the right *direction*?") <br>
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<p>When I get a lot of head-nodding, uh-huhs, this degenerates to A)
Buy In but not B) Helpful Criticism. If (when) she might ask me
"but are we going the right *direction*?) that criticism is
acutely useful, even if my answer is a convicted (and hopefully
correct) "yes we are!". I have traveled previously with people
who were more intrinsically disagreeable, and to the extent that
*they* raise their contribution at the same rate they raise their
*disagreement*, I much appreciate it.</p>
<p>I believe that one can often be a convincing *critic* without
actually parsing the *semantics* of the situation, just looking
for *syntactic* errors or anomalies to poke at. I find the
latter rather unhelpful. Many popular media critics seem to do
more of the latter than the former.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/17/22 3:41 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:<br>
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writes: """<br>
Nick likes to say he's grateful for anyone who reads his
writing. But <br>
the actual good faith action is to criticize it. Reading it is
like <br>
nodding politely with the occasional "ah", "yes", "uh-huh"
while <br>
someone tells you their boring story. Engagement is the real <br>
objective. Reading is a mere means to that end. And
disagreement is <br>
demonstrative engagement.<br>
"""<br>
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I apologize for disagreeing and reading past the text in
places. When I<br>
think about *reading* awkward social situations or divvying up
grocery<br>
store tasks with my partner, disagreement is not always my
preferred form<br>
of demonstrative engagement. Sometimes it is pleasant to
offload some<br>
of the implementation details to a "group thought" compiler.<br>
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