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<p>I would also (I probably already said this) be interested in
other's participation/reactions/review. I am unable to do what
you (DaveW) suggest and avoid all critical reading, but I do try
to do it in the same way I (try to) meditate. I try to *note* my
judgements of what I'm reading, put a pin in the judgements, and
read forward with the hope that either what is rankling me will
resolve in further text, or that I will obtain a new perspective.
Although I feel like I've been (like the Red Queen) able to think
many impossible thoughts before Breakfast or (like Glen) allow a
society of homunculii to churn about in the background as I read,
I do find it hard to be as objective and open as I think I would
like to be. At least the parallax offered by others alternative
*analysis* of things like this helps me to (re) think differently
than my experience/nature leads me to.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/6/22 9:35 PM, Prof David West
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">The Metaphysical Animals book is,
IMO, a pretty dry biography that removes all the passion and the
ardor of both the time period and the philosophical arguments.
The actual ideas advanced by the four women (and colleagues)
are, again IMO, very important and I find them compelling: on
their face and because of congruence with the metaphysics of
mysticism (Alchemy to Taoism with heavy doses of Buddhism) of
which I am so fond.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">I did find their rebuttal of Ayers
reminiscent of arguments I have made to Nick re: Pierce. That
"truth" is what we eventually agree upon is possible only to the
extent you are willing to rig the conversation to exclude both
'evidence' and 'advocacy' of contrary positions. Same notion I
posed to Jochem—if you assume physicality and purposely exclude
any data points that are not reducible to physical things—then
you are simply creating a metaphysical tautology.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">On another note: those of you that
are reading Graeber's <i>Dawn of Everything</i>, it would be
fun to have a discussion and share reactions. I found it
fascinating. My habit is to absorb, in toto, the data and the
arguments, to 'Grok' the totality of the book first and only
then apply my critical and analytical faculties to see what
lasts. I know most of you read critically from the get-go, and
so I would value your input.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Tor those of you not ready to
commit to a 500 page tome, <i>Fragments of an Anarchist
Anthropology,</i> will provide a kind of overarching thesis
statement for <i>Dawn</i>.<br>
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or may not come later. It may then
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