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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Mary Catherine
Bateson was a close friend of mine. She and Gregory (her
father) worked closely together. She and I once shared a
long train ride where she talked about her life in
relationship to not one, but two (Margaret Mead) famous
parents. Before Covid, in 2019, she invited me for a long
weekend to her get-away house in the New Hampshire woods. I
interviewed her about the early days of systems thinking,
cybernetics and the Macy conferences. It was mid-March, and
I drove her to a wee public house nearby to hear some St.
Patrick's day music. We lifted a pint and exchanged stories
about the Irish for whom we shared a special regard. Mary
Catherine died last year. I miss her still.</div>
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<p>M -</p>
<p> Thanks for this personal anecdote... the biographical sketch
I am reading is Noel Charlton's "Understanding Gregory
Bateson"... <br>
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<p> I'm glad you got a "last pint" in with her. My Mary is just
now reading (finished actually) Harold Blume's collection of "Last
Poems" ("'til I end my Song") by poets from 16c to 2002. Not
always their very last poem or even ones contemplating mortality
but those also. A finely curated collection IMO.</p>
<p> Here in Weesp, borrowing Jenny's house, her books, and even her
friends, I met someone who I think you have to meet. By
coincidence (or not) he was just in Sweden meeting with our mutual
colleague Anders Varger there... Stephen and I know Anders
through Hubville, but their work together involves bringing the
very young and the very old together to cogitate/ideate about the
future (the former have a lot of energy and a big stake, the
latter have some perspective and limited stake)... I don't know
if the work comes through well in the translations, it sounds more
meaningful when Hank (Kune... educore.nl) speaks about it
in-person. I haven't checked in with Anders yet.<br>
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<div dir="auto">I'm reading John Markoff's biography of
Stuart Brand, who was heavily influenced by Bateson.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 11, 2022,
6:57 AM Frank Wimberly <<a
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<div dir="auto">In 1978 as I was about to leave
Pittsburgh for a job at Bell Labs my wife and I were
staying with with Scott and Penny Fahlman since our
furniture was on a moving van. Scott was an AI
hotshot who had recently arrived at Carnegie Mellon.
I was typing the final revision of my numerical
analysis dissertation on my Smith Corona when Scott
said, "Frank, that will be the last computer science
dissertation ever written on a typewriter."
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<p>Holy Moley!</p>
<p>The references to Kissenger et. al.'s "The Age
of AI: and our Human Future" here lead me to
find his 1950 Senior Thesis at Harvard (scanned
copy of the <a
href="https://ia903000.us.archive.org/23/items/HenryAKissingerTheMeaningOfHistoryReflectionsOnSpenglerToynbeeAndKant/Henry%20A%20Kissinger%20-%20The%20Meaning%20of%20History_%20Reflections%20on%20Spengler%2C%20Toynbee%2C%20and%20Kant.pdf"
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<p>I am only 20 something pages into this 400 page
tome and definitely over my head in several
ways. His language reads a little *overly*
flowery and technically specific, and yet that
may just be a result of the *era* and it's topic
as an analysis of three writer's take on history
itself (Spengler, Toynbee, Kant). I have tried
resolving several obscure terms such as "genus
Culture", references to which I can only find in
archaic botanical texts? I have not read
Spengler and only skimmed Toynbee and the Kant I
read is now 40 years past, so of course I don't
have much more than an effing clue of what he is
effing on about here, yet it is fascinating
nevertheless. <br>
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<p>Even reading the typewritten type carries a
sort of spectre of the time and place this was
generated. It adds significance that I gifted
my last working typewriter (at times I have had
as many as 5 or 6 which could be made to work
with a little care in use) to one of our
house-sitters while we travel. She may well be
typing on it as I type this. The unevenness of
a manual typewriter, the waviness of the line
and the uneveness of the impression reflects in
some way the mechanical device but also the
operator. My instinct is that Kissinger did
not type this final manuscript himself if in
fact he even typed any of it. It has the
evenness (relative, given the limits of the type
of device) of an accomplished typist, typing in
a workman-like way. The digital copy (pdf)
appears to be a scan of a photocopy to boot,
adding contrast enhancement and some subsequent
elision of bits by thresholding.</p>
<p>I was tempted to cut-n-paste a few choice lines
(images, not txt) and comment on them, but
realize that perhaps nobody else here cares and
it would just be a manual exercise for myself to
no point otherwise. OCR is good enough these
days to make it possible to render it as txt,
etc. but since I am bogged down in the text
itself and distracted by trying to graze through
Jenny's library here in Weesp, while quaffing
the entireity of one of her favorite tomes (a
biography of Gregory Bateson), I will leave it
now and see if anyone else delves deep enough
into the source material to spark a conversation
here that I can join or simply enjoy.</p>
<p>So many books, so little time! If I had more
time I would learn to speedread so I can have
more time to read more. <br>
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