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<p>Cody-</p>
<p>thanks for pointing that out... I wonder at his contribution to
the book. The Goodreads reviews are categorically dismissive of
the writing and structure of the book, as if someone threw
together the maunderings of these three men, each with their own
stake in "deep thinking". I was surprised to see Kissinger
listed as an author and I am interested in the specific take on
this topic which his unique history offers. <br>
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<p>For many (including me I suppose), he still has Nixon cooties on
him, but his bona fides as a young man coming of age in Nazi
Germany in a Jewish family and community, then emigrating to the
US, becoming a US Army infantry and intelligence soldier including
action at the Battle of the Bulge ( I just left a week vacationing
in that area along the FR/BE border). He was also given
significant roles in the denazification efforts in Germany
following their surrender. Despite my bias against his
Nixonian/Republican politics, history and time have caste his
works in a better light than I expected it to. I have not read
his primary work but have had plenty of it summarized and quoted
to me over my lifetime.</p>
<p>On reflection of what he "might" have to offer on such a topic, I
believe that AI will (continue to) bubble up from the
bottom/tactics (smarter and smarter appliances and devices and
networks/IOT of them) and down from the top/strategy (politics,
business, industry) and his geopolitical perspective on the past
100 years or more (his earliest scholarly being historical
reflections from the vantage point of post-WWII.</p>
<p>I keep looking for signs that an AI overlord is pulling the
strings of Trump and Musk and Putin and who knows who else whose
"contribution" to the international milieu is so disruptive (and
not in an obviously *good* way). <bwahahahaha!></p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div>The most convincing evidence that I have of the coming AI
singularity is Github Copilot. </div>
<div>I just wanted to point out that the book "The Age of AI",
mentioned earlier, was written by the Henry Kissinger, who was
influential in American cold war politics. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 7:54
AM glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Although
it seems like Jochen bent the thread, the question of *where*
the I is in Strong AI is very much on the topic of the
localhost. While the OP was really only about *developing* on
localhost, our questions about artificial general intelligence
are, really, about the different competencies between man and
machine. Or, to avoid speciism, animal and machine.<br>
<br>
I tend to think animals are much more like plants than most
people seem to think. Our intelligence isn't in our brain. And
recreating the brain and expecting intelligence to pop out is
Cargo Cult thinking. The localhost post was about the
difference between algorithms and interactive computing
processes, HCI. Plants are more obviously non-algorithmic
interactive processes than animals with a CNS and a brain. And
the route to AGI will have to go through artificial plants.<br>
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And that requires us to think clearly about *where* the
interaction takes place.<br>
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On 6/9/22 13:09, Jochen Fromm wrote:<br>
> Another rant of the type "<x> is dead, long live
<y>" where x is localhost and y is - the mainframe
terminal. There is nothing new under the sun. Is this all
Silicon Valley has to offer? Bitcoin, Blockchain, and the good
old mainframe terminal.<br>
> <br>
> I have the feeling that all basic application types have
already been written. Maybe Quantum Computing will bring
something new. I am sceptical though if it is possible at all.<br>
> <a
href="https://www.oreilly.com/radar/quantum-computing-without-the-hype/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.oreilly.com/radar/quantum-computing-without-the-hype/</a><br>
> <br>
> Strong AI will certainly come. Robots that are as
intelligent (and/or confused) as we are. And more. In a sense
AI and Quantum Computing are opposites: for AI we are sure
that it will come, but we are not sure how we will use it. For
quantum computing we are not sure if it will come at all, but
we know how we would use it.<br>
> <a href="https://ageofaibook.com/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://ageofaibook.com/</a><br>
> <br>
> -J.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -------- Original message --------<br>
> From: glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gepropella@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Date: 6/9/22 15:50 (GMT+01:00)<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
> Subject: [FRIAM] edgelords<br>
> <br>
> The End of Localhost<br>
> <a
href="https://dx.tips/the-end-of-localhost#heading-the-potential-of-edge-compute"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://dx.tips/the-end-of-localhost#heading-the-potential-of-edge-compute</a><br>
> <br>
> On the tails of the Get off my lawn! AOL thread, that
localhost article reminded me of Firefox's new tool:<br>
> <br>
> <a
href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-translations/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-translations/</a><br>
> <br>
> I don't yet understand how it works. But assuming it's
true, I like the idea that the translator robot runs on
localhost. But it also invokes 2 problems I currently have: 1)
coworkers who won't share their premature/broken works in
progress and 2) the opacity of computation that happens
elsewhere. If you read the Hacker News thread <<a
href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31669762"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31669762</a>>,
you see lots of yapping about "developers" and front-end
stuff, not understanding back-end stuff, yaddayadda. And
that's fine; gatekeepers are everywhere. But there are serious
"openness" issues with relying on compute elsewhere. And it's
not merely supply chain problems like what version are they
running back there. One data portal my clients want/expect me
to use prevents any traffic in or out, for data privacy
reasons. But many of the workflows we use to knead data call
out to online APIs, in my case so that you "don't have to
worry about" what version of whatever lies on the other side.
So, <br>
> obviously, I have to convert all the outreach to
localhost, either with simulated servers or installing large
blocks into the container and refactoring network calls into
local calls. That bloats my container, of course, slowing the
development process. Well-simulated data becomes important so
I can tighten the dev loop on localhost before sending the
bloated container to the portal to test on real data.<br>
> <br>
> I'm no longer sure where I'm going with this. Sorry. Were
I intelligent, I'd delete my commentary and just send along
the links. Maybe SteveS has finally infected me. 8^D<br>
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