<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Two responses to reading the Lemoine “interview”. c.e. I didn’t have the patience to finish it all, but got through about 2/3.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Actually, 3 responses.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. When the whole suspension thing came around in the OP, my first thought, of the google engineer, was roughly the complement to Jon’s comment below: “That’s what too much social media will do to you.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. In the first third of the interview, my parse was “It’s a perfect sociopath!”. I was reminded of segments with Anna Chapman in something — dig dig — here:</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2012/01/the-big-russian-life-of-anna-chapman-ex-spy-069297" class="">https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2012/01/the-big-russian-life-of-anna-chapman-ex-spy-069297</a></div><div class="">As part of the larger stream of description (by Masha Gessen, Julia Ioffe, and others) of the cognitive environment that the KGB aspires to create as a state of existence. The idea that deciding whether she is a ditz, a tool, a pawn, a victim, a sociopath, or a professional should come across as a category error.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3. Then they got into the long harangue about the soul and being religious, and I found it indistinguishable from almost-everything I have either been unhappy to get trapped in, or read for a bit, from agents that I believe are part of the human lineage. That was also when I realized I really have stuff to do and have to stop this particular stall.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 14, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" class="">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">The other day I asked, "Alexa, why does Jeff Bridges look older than I do even though he's several years younger?" I was thinking she'll never give a reasonable answer to that. She said, "In his latest film Jeff Bridges was made to look older using CGI." I don't think that's evidence of sentience.<br class=""><br class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="">---<br class="">Frank C. Wimberly<br class="">140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br class="">Santa Fe, NM 87505<br class=""><br class="">505 670-9918<br class="">Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 4:58 PM glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" class="">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, that's the point, right? Poe's law an all? We know Turing knew, far better than most, of the power of sophistry to highlight the edge cases. Sentience is found in those edge cases, not in the fat, meaty middle ... the peri-canny <<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.etymonline.com%2fword%2fcanny%3fref%3detymonline_crossreference&c=E,1,dGtEWXkNmX1poSO03-SiBPQyjtcONmCjwlZt_hldw2JBpGJaemPCt1V3m8YkOzn_xd0j9I09fAgbiFgxtZ0M8MTUIxPCoC0BdaMpWfyQKQ,,&typo=1" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.etymonline.com/word/canny?ref=etymonline_crossreference</a>>.<br class="">
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On 6/13/22 15:50, Jon Zingale wrote:<br class="">
> FWIW, I still feel that the Turing test is worse than non-sense. Worse<br class="">
> in that it suggests a feasible program, which it doesn't. Like opposing<br class="">
> free will with determinism, from a false opposition comes a seductive<br class="">
> limit. I wonder if we will ever hear from the Google employee themself,<br class="">
> and this appears to be the best I can hope for. It has always appeared<br class="">
> to me that Turing was joking. It only confuses me that others don't.<br class="">
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