<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Yes, the edge cases may indicate if the system only pretends to be sentient or not. Sentience in the sense of feelings is only possible by embodiment and grounding, since feelings are about the state of the body (and the actions it should take).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: glen <gepropella@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 6/14/22 00:58 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: friam@redfish.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Google Engineer Thinks AI Bot Has Become Sentient </div><div><br></div></div>Well, that's the point, right? Poe's law an all? We know Turing knew, far better than most, of the power of sophistry to highlight the edge cases. Sentience is found in those edge cases, not in the fat, meaty middle ... the peri-canny <https://www.etymonline.com/word/canny?ref=etymonline_crossreference>.<br><br>On 6/13/22 15:50, Jon Zingale wrote:<br>> FWIW, I still feel that the Turing test is worse than non-sense. Worse<br>> in that it suggests a feasible program, which it doesn't. Like opposing<br>> free will with determinism, from a false opposition comes a seductive<br>> limit. I wonder if we will ever hear from the Google employee themself,<br>> and this appears to be the best I can hope for. It has always appeared<br>> to me that Turing was joking. It only confuses me that others don't.<br><br><br>-- <br>ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ<br><br>-. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam<br>to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com<br>FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/<br>archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/<br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/<br></body></html>