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So the mind is entangled in everything in its vicinity and can access this state that represents far more atoms than the brain itself. But non-mind physical things cannot?<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Aug 17, 2022, at 3:36 PM, Prof David West <profwest@fastmail.fm> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">closest technological metaphor I have encountered is holographic universe and mind as holographic 'interpreter/reader', which could be computationally simulated, I suppose.<br>
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<div>On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
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<span class="size" style="font-size:13px;"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">< If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival enhancing
mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that we call Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism and expose the Real Reality. ></span></span></span><br>
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<span class="size" style="font-size:13px;">The mind may be configured to be a 5G transceiver or CAT scan?</span><br>
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<div><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profwest@fastmail.fm><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 16, 2022 6:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)</span></span> </div>
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<div>If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that we call Reality, then entheogens
work to dismantle the filtering mechanism and expose the Real Reality.<br>
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<div>Missing in my first post was a hidden premise, that any augmentations (Neuralink, et. al.) are almost certainly based on whatever we think we understand of the filtering mechanism, not the Mind, and therefore would augment/enhance that mechanism and therefore
lead to results opposite of what is desired.<br>
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<div>The missing premise is pretty much conjecture on my part but is grounded in an advanced, but not expert, understanding of AI and neural network technologies; so it should be taken with a tablespoon (thousands of grains) of salt.<br>
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<div>On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, at 11:22 AM, glen wrote:<br>
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<div>> Opposite of what? I don't understand how augmentation is the opposite <br>
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<div>> of the entheogens (drugs or meditation). Are you saying that, e.g. the <br>
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<div>> Mojo Lens or Neuralink further restrict, whereas the entheogens lessen <br>
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<div>> the restriction?<br>
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<div>> If so, then my guess is you could do the same sort of restriction <br>
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<div>> modulation with any augmentation device. E.g. if there are 1 billion <br>
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<div>> possible data feeds you could receive, decreasing them is like an <br>
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<div>> undrugged person self-censoring and such, then increasing them is like <br>
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<div>> taking a entheogen ... that is, assuming Church-Turing.<br>
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<div>> If we reject C-T, then it seems reasonable to argue that the body <br>
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<div>> "computes" something that any computer-based augmentation would <br>
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<div>> restrict, by definition, making it impossible to expand beyond what the <br>
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<div>> augment provides. Computer-based augmentaiton would provide a hard <br>
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<div>> limit ... an unavoidable abstraction/subset of reality.<br>
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<div>> On 8/15/22 19:04, Prof David West wrote:<br>
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<div>>> The hallucino-philia (and Buddhist epistemologists) would argue that our brains (minds) already fully grasp / cognize / perceive our physical reality. But, for survival purposes, it self-censors and presents our consciousness/awareness/attention with
a small abstract subset of that reality—an illusion.<br>
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<div>>> Drugs and meditation are 'subtractive' in that they dismantle the abstraction/reduction apparatus that generates the illusion hiding our 'full-grasping'.<br>
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<div>>> If such a belief were "true" then "augmenting our brains" would be the exact opposite, and exceedingly harmful, approach ...<br>
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<div>>> ... unless, the augmentation was a permanent [lsd | psylocibin | mescaline] drip.<br>
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