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<font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt">< If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary
subset that we call Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism and expose the Real Reality. ><br>
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<font size="2">The mind may be configured to be a 5G transceiver or CAT scan?</font></div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profwest@fastmail.fm><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 16, 2022 6:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)</font>
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<div class="PlainText">If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that we call
Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism and expose the Real Reality.<br>
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Missing in my first post was a hidden premise, that any augmentations (Neuralink, et. al.) are almost certainly based on whatever we think we understand of the filtering mechanism, not the Mind, and therefore would augment/enhance that mechanism and therefore
lead to results opposite of what is desired.<br>
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The missing premise is pretty much conjecture on my part but is grounded in an advanced, but not expert, understanding of AI and neural network technologies; so it should be taken with a tablespoon (thousands of grains) of salt.<br>
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davew<br>
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On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, at 11:22 AM, glen wrote:<br>
> Opposite of what? I don't understand how augmentation is the opposite <br>
> of the entheogens (drugs or meditation). Are you saying that, e.g. the <br>
> Mojo Lens or Neuralink further restrict, whereas the entheogens lessen <br>
> the restriction?<br>
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> If so, then my guess is you could do the same sort of restriction <br>
> modulation with any augmentation device. E.g. if there are 1 billion <br>
> possible data feeds you could receive, decreasing them is like an <br>
> undrugged person self-censoring and such, then increasing them is like <br>
> taking a entheogen ... that is, assuming Church-Turing.<br>
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> If we reject C-T, then it seems reasonable to argue that the body <br>
> "computes" something that any computer-based augmentation would <br>
> restrict, by definition, making it impossible to expand beyond what the <br>
> augment provides. Computer-based augmentaiton would provide a hard <br>
> limit ... an unavoidable abstraction/subset of reality.<br>
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> On 8/15/22 19:04, Prof David West wrote:<br>
>> The hallucino-philia (and Buddhist epistemologists) would argue that our brains (minds) already fully grasp / cognize / perceive our physical reality. But, for survival purposes, it self-censors and presents our consciousness/awareness/attention with a small
abstract subset of that reality\u2014an illusion.<br>
>> <br>
>> Drugs and meditation are 'subtractive' in that they dismantle the abstraction/reduction apparatus that generates the illusion hiding our 'full-grasping'.<br>
>> <br>
>> If such a belief were "true" then "augmenting our brains" would be the exact opposite, and exceedingly harmful, approach ...<br>
>> <br>
>> ... unless, the augmentation was a permanent [lsd | psylocibin | mescaline] drip.<br>
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