<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">From glen: <i>"If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then get to</i><i><br></i></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><i> *work*. Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking,</i><i><br></i></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><i> communicating, is inadequate at best, disinfo at worst."</i></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">This is kinda the whole point of <u>Participant</u> Observation at the core of cultural anthropology. The premise is you cannot truly understand a culture until you live it.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Of course, there is still a boundary, a separation, between the anthropologist and those with whom she interacts, but sweat, calluses, blood, and emotions go a long way toward establishing actual understanding.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Steve Smith wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><p><br></p><div class="qt-moz-cite-prefix">On 9/1/22 11:21 AM, glen wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:91fbc7d7-83be-b7f9-bcac-709d45090842@gmail.com"><div>Inter-brain
synchronization occurs without physical co-presence during
cooperative online gaming <br></div><div> <a class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028393222001750">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028393222001750</a> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> There's a lot piled into the aggregate measures of EEG. And the
mere fact of the canalization conflates the unifying tendencies of
the objective (shared purpose) with that of the common structure
(virtual world, interface, body, brain). But overall, it argues
against this guru focus on "sense-making" (hermeneutic, monistic
reification) and helps argue for the fundamental plurality,
openness, and stochasticity of "language games". <br></div><div> <br></div><div> If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then get to
*work*. Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking,
communicating, is inadequate at best, disinfo at worst. <br></div></blockquote><p>I agree somewhat with the spirit of this, however a recent
writer/book I discovered is <a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sand-talk-tyson-yunkaporta?variant=32280908103714">Sand
Talk</a> by Tyson Yunkaporta and more specifically his
references to "Yarning" in his indigenous Australian culture
offered me a complementary perspective... <br></p><p>I definitely agree that the "building of something together" is a
powerful world-building/negotiating/collaborative/seeking
experience. The social sciences use the term <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_object">Boundary
Object</a> and Boundary Negotiation Artifact. Jenny and I
wrote a draft white-paper on the topic of the SimTable as a
"boundary negotiating artifact" last time she visited (2019?).
A lot of computer-graphics/visualization products provide fill
this role, but the physicality of a sand-table with it's tactility
and multiple perspectives add yet more. The soap-box racer or
fort you build with your friend as a kid provides the same. The
bulk of my best relationships in life involved "building something
together" whether it be a software system or a house... <br></p><div>-. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .<br></div><div>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br></div><div>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br></div><div>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br></div><div>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br></div><div>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br></div><div> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div></body></html>