<div dir="auto">Thank you, Stephen.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 14, 2022, 8:16 PM Stephen Guerin <<a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><b><font color="#3d85c6">On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 3:45 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:</font></b></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p><b><font color="#3d85c6">THE <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Abraham_(mathematician)" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Ralph
Abraham</a>? Or the OTHER <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Abraham_(politician)" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Ralph
Abraham</a>? Or Yet Another... ?</font></b></p></div></blockquote><div>Yes, the first :-) </div><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#3d85c6">On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 3:45 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></b></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p><b><font color="#3d85c6">The <a href="https://www.sheldrake.org/videos/trialogues-at-the-edge-of-the-millennium" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Trialogues</a>
comes to mind... I didn't realize how young McKenna was when he
passed just a few years later. I still can't get past most of
Sheldrake's hyperbolic-woo-pseudoscientific framing, and do wonder
at how Abraham sorts all that out internally. It isn't
surprising to find a pure Maths guy engaged in very mystical
thinking, no fundamental contradictions required I don't think.</font></b><br></p></div></blockquote><div>Ralph credited some high-dimensional math insights to hallucinatory experiences with DMT - an interest shared with McKenna. As you know my interest in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_interpretation" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Transactional Intepretation of QM</a> with "advanced" reverse-time waves "handshaking" time-forward "retarded" waves, Sheldrake's morphic resonance fields aren't too many nodes of crazy away from me - though, I prefer the duality of woo-oow science :-)<br></div><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#3d85c6">On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 3:45 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></b></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<p><b><font color="#3d85c6">I don't think I've ever met Ralph and I could never quite suss
out how much influence he had directly (certainly indirectly?) on
Shaw/Farmer/Packard/Crutchfield's "Chaos Cabal"... </font></b></p></div></blockquote><div>UCSC Faculty Bill Burke and Ralph were supporters of the Cabal as they worked on their PhDs with some shared pub credits. Rob refers to Burke as the Godfather to the group. (mentioned in the Gleick's chapter on Santa Cruz that you linked to).<br><br>Last time I saw Ralph in Santa Fe, I asked him about the group and that Rob was with us at SFx. He said "Rob was the smartest one" - high praise given the other three :-)<br><br>Full disclosure: I once slept with Ralph's brother, Fred, director of the<a href="http://www.blueberry-brain.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"> Blueberry institute</a>. They were out of hotel rooms at the SCTPLS 2002 Portland conference, and Fred asked to bunk with me :-)</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#3d85c6"><b>On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 3:45 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote: </b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p><font color="#3d85c6"><b>Does anyone
know how to find Julia Landau's strange documentary tangenting "<a href="https://vimeo.com/129239092" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Strange
Attractors</a>"? </b></font></p></div></blockquote><div>Such a cool project.You can see it trying to <a href="http://reelchanges.org/projects/show/ef3718b0-4176-012b-7345-005056c00008/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">get off the ground in 2008.</a> I emailed Rob in 2013 to find out status and he said Julia was still looking for funding to complete. Beyond the trailer, did you notice:<br><a href="https://vimeo.com/344238322" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Clip 1 Intro</a><br><a href="https://vimeo.com/344238191" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Clip 2 - Imagining Rob, Meeting Howard</a></div><div><a href="https://vimeo.com/344238021" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Clip 3 - Finding Rob in Chaos Theory</a></div><div><a href="https://vimeo.com/136946323" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Finding Rob in the Chaos </a><br><br>I ran into Rob in Honolulu in 2017 - I asked him about it again and still the same status.<br><br>BTW, check out the other couple of clips on Julia's Vimeo. I found her father's "<a href="https://vimeo.com/125292604" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">will the real terrorist standup</a>" somewhere online about the Cuban Five. When I was in Havana with Tom Johnson for ABM Workshops he helped organize, I learned more about the Cuban Five and for a couple years followed all news stories and histories I could find on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles</a> and Americam-sponsored terrorism in Cuba. Pretty f&#ked up.</div><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#3d85c6">On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 3:45 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></b></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p> <b><font color="#3d85c6"><a href="https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.4822680" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Gleick's
book</a> was the first time I realized that Doyne and Norm came
from Silver City, and then I discovered that my sister with to
Kindergarten with Norm's brother Vance... Rob used to hang out
at SFx from time to time and his brother Chris would drop through
and talk about his Haptek-sponsored
"chatterbot"/avatar/PeoplePutty work: <a href="https://aidreams.co.uk/forum/haptek/chris-shaw-talk-at-chatbots-3-2/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://aidreams.co.uk/forum/haptek/chris-shaw-talk-at-chatbots-3-2/</a>
which was pretty advanced, considering what we are getting excited
about with deepfakes/AI-art these days. I knew Haptek when it
formed originally to develop haptic hardware interfaces for VR a
decade earlier... </font></b></p></div></blockquote><div>Cool, hadn't seen Chris's chatbot video. And in addition to illustrating Rob's papers and books, I think you know about Chris and Ralph Abrham's collaboration on the four volume classic <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Dynamics-Geometry-Behavior-Ralph-Abraham/dp/0201567172" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Dynamics: Geometry of Behavior</a> with Chris providing beautiful technical illustrations of attractors and dynamical flow fields.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div>On 10/14/22 12:56 PM, Merle Lefkoff
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">What did everyone think
about this last hearing? I watched it with Ralph Abraham,
whom some of you might know of. He is visiting me for a week
here in Santa Fe and had some interesting perspectives on our
present politics.</div>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Of course Ralph and I
are also having fun conversations about the ever-present and
unknowable electromagnetic field. Life is good, despite the
possibility that I am but a hologram in a random universe
heading down a Black Hole. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 10:56
AM Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Several people, including me, want to watch the
hearing. When I left Dave West and Jon Z were the only ones
there.</div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>
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