<div dir="ltr">IIRC very badly as was MacOS was held back by...games of all things. But IIRC Adobe was quickly onto apples because picky people liked how it handled colours. That is compared to Windows 3.1 and 94(?) lol and yes Dad is a hero. LOL and yes I am biased.<div>Pagemaker ? wowsa that's a name from the past! LOL.</div><div>The reason why games didn't help Apples (then) uncertain future, as well was because kids (teens) was who pestered John, Chade, Kyle, or Karen to get a new computer. Apple didn't have that for a long time, not allowing clones up to a 2 year golden renaissance years later also hurt them. BeOS at the time was more macos then macos.. So you had a glorified printer and webpage publisher that'd cost 5-7k+. Compare that to the PC world a 900$ pc was keeping pace with apple, steve jobs and his ego. That when Chad was done with homework, or kyle done writing a report. They might sign into a BBS to play bolo, or a MUD. </div><div>Apple had to sell the UI and UX.</div><div><br></div><div>Sufficed to say Dad was up all night (almost literally). cursing at "the yapping dogs" and yelling "***** ing hell steve[the steve jobs kind] what now!, oh would you like me to pull a rabbit out of my **** while I'm at it, we need to give it a ipadress so it's adressable by postscript!" . But him, Steve Caserous eta all did it! and now the now speech isfamous speech. And Dad doesn't think he's a good programmer still. lol. Eh well not all heroes were capes, He's a Hero IMO.</div><div>Get him to tell you about the time he proved you as long as a device has some sense of network addressing, you can get it to do almost anything, including drive monitors. Or when him and Ben Stalts pranked SkunkWorks Sun with upside down displays using nothing more than NeWS's postscript, scripting code.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 4:54 PM Stephen Guerin <<a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 11:30 AM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<p>My copy of Glenn Reid's 1990 <a href="https://w3-o.cs.hm.edu/users/ruckert/public_html/compiler/ThinkingInPostScript.pdf" target="_blank">Thinking
in PostScript</a> sat on my shelf for two decades singing a
siren song that wasn't ever quite strong enough for me to give it
my full attention for the few weeks/months I believe it deserved.</p>
<p>Someday (if humanity survives another century, or interstellar
visitors bother to crack our rusty harddrives) this will all be as
much fun as the vestigal (aka "junk") DNA we started finding when
we started ubiquitous DNA/RNA sequencing. It must all be "good
for something"? Right? Clearly was at one time!<br>
</p>
<p>Fascinating that anyone (besides me) is even discussing such
things 30 years later: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28115946" target="_blank">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28115946</a></p></blockquote><div><br>40 years earlier: From the same site, here's the first public demo of the Mac in Boston in 1984. with Steve Jobs and the full Mac team onstage. I think Owen is the hero of the group, though I'm biased :-)<br><br> <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29295116" target="_blank">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29295116</a> </div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br>From that site:<br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">He called out Owen Densmore for writing the printing routines at 10m45s:</span><p style="margin-top:8px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqQJ-VnJ2uc&t=10m45s" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqQJ-VnJ2uc&t=10m45s</a></p><p style="margin-top:8px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">And Owen answered a question about printing at 15m:</p><p style="margin-top:8px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqQJ-VnJ2uc&t=15m" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqQJ-VnJ2uc&t=15m</a></p><p style="margin-top:8px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">Owen is a brilliant programmer and "User Interface Flower Child", who led the "Print Shop" group at Apple that created the printing architecture for Apple's Lisa and Macintosh hardware, working closely with John Warnock and other Adobe engineers on the LaserWriter.</p></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Check out Steve Job's MIT Sloan Business school when he was at NEXT referencing the importance of Owen's work that became desktop publishing on Apple which was the Trojan Horse that launched Apple into mainstream corporate:<br><br><a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-talks-leaving-apple-lessons-in-management-1992-mit-lecture-video-2018-5" target="_blank">https://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-talks-leaving-apple-lessons-in-management-1992-mit-lecture-video-2018-5</a><br><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On the Macintosh's killer app and how he didn't see it coming (10:30):</div></div>"We never anticipated desktop publishing when we created the Mac. Sounds funny because that turned out to be the Mac's compelling advantage, the thing it did, not 1.5 or 2 times better than everything else, but 4, 5 times better than anything else, where you had to had one."<br></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div>"We anticipated bitmap displays and laser printers but we never thought about Pagemaker, that whole industry really coming down on the desktop. Maybe we weren't smart enough. But we were smart enough to see it happen 9-12 months later. And we changed our entire marketing and business strategy to focus on desktop publishing, and it became the Trojan Horse that finally got the Mac into corporate America.</div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br><br><br> </div></div></div>
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