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    <p>Trying to understand BookWyrm vs StoryGraph vs GoodReads and
      Twitter vs Mastadon (and beyond), I found this aggregator of
      alternative recommendations:<br>
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      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://alternativeto.net/">https://alternativeto.net/</a></p>
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    <p>which doesn't necessarily solve anything, it just makes it
      obvious how challenging "too many choices" can be...</p>
    <p>After a lame attempt to go with Mastadon I decided to abandond
      Twitter-like things altogether.  I doubt I will be willing to
      throw GoodReads over for anything else because of the
      participating base of my own personal/family network there.   I
      can at least avoid clicking through a GoodReads recommendation to
      order from Amazon.  <br>
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      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/">https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/</a></p>
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    <p>I haven't begun (tried?) to evaluate AlternativeTo.Net
      itself...   <br>
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    <p>Is this the tragedy of the "free market" (subset of "commons")?</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/4/22 3:00 PM, glen wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:69f38462-3fb3-5519-1fc2-8541923fc479@gmail.com">I'd
      forgotten about this until the release yesterday:
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      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://joinbookwyrm.com/">https://joinbookwyrm.com/</a>
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      On 11/2/22 14:52, Steve Smith wrote:
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        On 11/2/22 9:43 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
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        <blockquote type="cite">Thanks, Glen.
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          It would be nice if there were a public bibliographic
          reference url that one could use to name a book that only
          conveyed the thing in itself.  Goodreads was that once, then
          Amazon bought them.  Ditto for video and audio recordings and
          other objects of public interest.
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        I admit to continuing to use Goodreads this way in spite of two
        problems... the Amazon affiliation/ownership of course, but also
        the too often spotty reviews...  I don't provide many nor
        particularly good reviews myself, so I've no room to complain
        really.
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        So I suppose I agree with your "public bibliographic reference
        url" point.   It seems as if Wikipedia is a good candidate but I
        haven't done the work to understand how new entries are made...
        are they always required to be made by a citizen of the
        community who is NOT affiliated with the book (publisher,
        author, etc)? I find a *lot* of the books I seek in Wikipedia
        and prefer them for reference when their book-description (and
        cross links to related works, author, etc) are particularly apt,
        but that is also spotty.   I use Goodreads mostly to follow what
        family/friends are reading and what *they* think of their reads.
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        The trend toward crowd-sourced public-use corpii being acquired
        by private interests (even public corporations are private
        interests) is disturbing (FB <-Mapillary,
        Amazon<-Goodreads)...   Twitter->BoringCo, etc)
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          <br>
          Eugenia Cheng has other books and a pile of youtube videos. 
          Interestingly, her primary institutional affiliation is the
          Art Institute of Chicago, where as resident scientist she
          teaches math to art students.  She has a public reading for
          kids scheduled in Jersey City this month.  Her definition of
          category theory is "the mathematics of mathematics" which she
          expands as "the logical study of the logical study of logical
          things."
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          Hasok Chang has a third book, Is Water H2O, which Amazon fails
          to index on his amazon author page, though it is on amazon at
          a blistering price in every available format.  I found a pdf
          on the internets.  It's details the history of working out the
          chemical identity of water. Two themes are that 1) the
          consensus answers to scientific questions often change in
          anticipation of the arrival of corroboration, 2) there are
          often multiple acceptable answers to scientific questions. 
          These are possibly consequences of being a realisitic realist.
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        Interesting set of recursions...  we CS types tend to love our
        arbitrary-depth recursion, but the special cases like
        double-negatives, and Rummy's unkown unknowns and now Chang's
        logical logicologoy of logics and realistic realists are ...
        *special*?  While some may prefer "turtles all the way down"
        sometimes just a few turtles deep suffices?
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        - Steve
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        PS... couldn't help hearing/reading "Cheech&Chong" on the
        first reading of this thread.
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          On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 9:57 AM glen
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"><gepropella@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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              There. I fixed that for you. 8^D
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              On 11/1/22 19:36, Roger Critchlow wrote:
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              > Interesting visit with my old boss/friend today, he
          mentioned some books of interest, and while looking for them I
          discovered yet another book.
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-joy-of-abstraction-an-exploration-of-math-category-theory-and-life-eugenia-cheng/18557720?ean=9781108477222">https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-joy-of-abstraction-an-exploration-of-math-category-theory-and-life-eugenia-cheng/18557720?ean=9781108477222</a><br>
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              > Exploration-Category-Theory/dp/1108477224>
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              > Eugenia Cheng, The Joy of Abstraction: An Exploration
          of Math, Category Theory, and Life, published October 2022.
          <br>
              >
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              > A presentation of category theory that keeps the
          underlying algebra basic.
          <br>
              >
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/inventing-temperature-measurement-and-scientific-progress-hasok-chang/9513488?ean=9780195337389">https://bookshop.org/p/books/inventing-temperature-measurement-and-scientific-progress-hasok-chang/9513488?ean=9780195337389</a><br>
          <br>
              > Hasok Chang, Inventing Temperature: Measurement and
          Scientific Progress
          <br>
              >
          <br>
              > An itemized history of temperature and all the wrong
          turns taken along the way, more detail than even the author
          cares to read again.  Poetic justice to examine the operation
          of the pragmatist's ratchet and pawl over the centuries as it
          rescues workable definitions of temperature from thermal
          confusion.
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              >
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/realism-for-realistic-people-a-new-pragmatist-philosophy-of-science-hasok-chang/18368583?ean=9781108470384">https://bookshop.org/p/books/realism-for-realistic-people-a-new-pragmatist-philosophy-of-science-hasok-chang/18368583?ean=9781108470384</a><br>
          <br>
              > Hasok Chang, Realism for Realistic People: A New
          Pragmatist Philosophy of Science, available on kindle on
          November 30, 2022.
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              >
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              > -- rec --
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              --     ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ
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