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    <p>Responsive to the issue of public funding of science (and
      advanced technology):</p>
    <p>We all know I'm a bit of a Luddite by most measures.   By
      coincidence I was listening (with one ear) to Bill Nye (da Science
      Guy) give his popular hip-hip-hooray for the latest DOE
      announcement as I read your post here.   He nailed *ME* with the
      perfect alternative descriptor to NIMBY (not in my back yard) with
      BANANA (build absolutely nothing anywhere anything).</p>
    <p>I believe it is inevitable that under our current self-conception
      (all humanity,not just US or the Western Nations) it is virtually
      impossible to imagine us doing anything but driving technology
      forward (roughly) as fast as possible, as if to outrun the
      consequences of our previous actions (and out-compete our
      competitors with similar levels of capability). Singularity much? 
      Evolutionary Biology coined the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis">Red
        Queen Hypothesis</a> to describe the latter but I think of it
      more as (also) a corollary to the prisoner's *dilemma*.   <br>
    </p>
    <p>This <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://medium.com/thinking-is-hard/a-prisoners-dilemma-cheat-sheet-4d85fe289d87#:~:text=When%20you're%20playing%20against,also%20defending%20against%20Always%20Defectors.">Medium
        article</a> is a nice pop-sci summary of Prisoner's Dilemma
      strategies, covering *especially* multiplayer games which I think
      our various tech/arms races are implicitly.  The conclusion of the
      article, author Benson makes the astute obvservation:</p>
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            !important; float: none;">The most interesting thing is that
            cooperation<span> </span></span></i><em class="wm"
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            !important; float: none;"><span> </span>evolved, even if it
            feels impossibly complicated and always on the verge of
            tipping over into fake cooperation (mimicry) and probing
            (extortion).</span></i></p>
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    <p>And as always, when discussing iterated prisoner's dilemma, Nick,
      et al's <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="https://backspaces.net/28/moth-my-way-or-the-highway/">MOTH</a>
      must be referenced.<br>
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    <p><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/13/22 12:04 PM, Marcus Daniels
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>I thought director Budil made a good case for the unique
        value of public funding of science and advanced technology.  
        Rockets are understood, Musk and others can build them.  Decades
        of investment to do something like this is, it is just
        different.   And they were not timid about mentioning the
        defense side.  Concurrent with the test of a U.S. hypersonic
        too.  <a
href="https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/12/12/air-force-conducts-first-operational-launch-of-arrw-hypersonic-missile/"
          moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/12/12/air-force-conducts-first-operational-launch-of-arrw-hypersonic-missile/</a></div>
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        <blockquote type="cite">On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:16 AM, Steve
          Smith <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"><sasmyth@swcp.com></a> wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr"><span>Great synopsis... thanks.</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>I'm fascinated at how long we've been "on the cusp" of
            "lighting up" a micro-star in the laboratory.</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>My first awareness was in the early 70s when a Radio
            Engineer I worked with had just come from the early MFE
            Livermore efforts to my tiny hometown AM RAdio station... He
            described what they were up to as I was taking my first
            physics course (Junior in HS)... and thinking about the
            implications both for science (as little I knew it) and
            society (cheap/ubiquitous energy).   Working at LANL for 3
            decades (starting with the high energy Proton Storage Ring)
            put me close to lots of this as an "educated layman".</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>I can't say "nothing's changed" but it is mind boggling
            how long one can "hang on the cusp" of something.   Or how
            quickly we can go from burning coal to make steam to drive
            mechanical devices to replace animal and human (and water
            and wind) labor to lighting up tiny stars for the same
            purpose.</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>- Steve</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>    "some days just drag on, but the years they just fly
            by"</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>Awesome. Thanks. I'm still
              trying to catch up with the QC Wormhole kerfuffle. Who
              knew Quanta was so click baity?</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>What is "DT"?</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>On 12/13/22 09:02, Marcus
              Daniels wrote:</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>In case no one wanted to get
                up at 7:00am to watch DOE administrators talk:</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>1. Controlling the laser in
                space and time was important for maintaining symmetry. 
                Timing precision of 25e-12 secs and laser spatial
                precision of 5e-12 meter were needed.  This was thought
                to be the main explanation for the achievement.</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>2. 8% more power on the laser
                this time</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>3. x-ray tomography is used to
                find flaws in the capsules. Developing software to do
                the counting.</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>4. They have ongoing efforts
                to study the fabrication systems and their components
                (done in Germany) to find idiosyncrasies of each.</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>5. Laser technology
                improvements since NIF was built which are 20% more
                efficient.</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>6. Target cost is from labor,
                and it takes 7 months each</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>7. 4% of DT is burned in a
                shot</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>8. Machine learning ties
                together radiation hydrodynamics and experimental
                data.   (It sounded preliminary.)</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>9. The (successful) capsule
                had more defects than previous experiments.   However,
                previous experiments did show benefits from capsule
                quality.</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>10. 15% of experiments are
                indirect drive of this kind, 15% of experiments are
                other approaches to ignition.  The rest are weapons and
                materials characterization.</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>11. Anomalous laser
                directional control were problems in the summer runs.  
                Fixed that.</span><br>
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