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I doubt the answer would be interesting, but one could give it as
a Fermi problem to an undergraduate geology class (who don’t do
Fermi problems; but the physicists won’t know any geology).
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<div class="">Terawatt-scale extraction of geothermal energy will
increase the effective conduction of heat from the bottom of the
mantle (directly or indirectly) to the surface, increasing the
rate at which the solid inner core grows by freezing of the
molten outer core.</div>
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<div class="">How much, for how long, can we extract, until the
inner core grows enough that the geodynamo shuts down, ending
the Earth’s magnetic field, the van Allen belts etc., and
exposing the atmosphere directly to spalling by protons from the
solar wind? </div>
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<div class="">And you thought the shutdown of the north-atlantic
thermohaline was a problem!<br class="">
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and isn't that what happened on Barsoom?<br>
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their first test device from the Air Force in
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for crowd control. Think of it! 5G that has a
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on behalf of Steve Smith <<a
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, December 16, 2022
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] technical notes
on fusion announcement</font>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 12/16/22 10:56 AM,
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<div dir="auto" class="">I had never heard of a
transatlantic power grid. That is an interesting
idea. The sun is probably shining somewhere on the
earth at any given time. Would a lot of energy get
wasted with the long distances?
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<p class="">Nikola Tesla is rolling in his
magnetically shielded grave hearing all this
wasteful and under-inspired talk of
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long-range power transmission</a> via wires?<br
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<p class="">my SF addled brain conjures a <a
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class="" moz-do-not-send="true">snow-piercer</a>
style earth-circumscribing rail-line... the pylons
can be driven so deep into the earth's crust that
they are tapped into the earth's inner heat, the
rails can be the DC conduit Marcus suggests. There
can be as many windmills and tidal turbines placed
along the line as one feels they
need/can-afford/stand-to-see as well as a PV/thermo
solar continuous collector/shade-roof which can also
enhance gradient by radiating into the (<a
href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fphysics.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f153839%2fwhat-is-the-temperature-of-the-clear-night-sky-from-the-surface-of-earth&c=E,1,Mym_MVP2YQQpG8ShnGwNgqA7mlDs-14HRuNLYPSrS_TLcWTQJS93tLKc4WuPtM4hKFR6eL-VrRsD-AeTXOFgpPm7pZnaTZp62gbUe8d3bxk3j7LI9ZTRZjXrHA,,&typo=1"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">2.73-273 deg K</a>)
sky at night. The Snowpiercer rail-cars can move
(make them pneumatic or evacuated-ballistic
(~18mi/sec?)) physical goods and materials
continuously... (thank you Elon Musk). Mount a
few
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units on train units and squirt things into orbit
at-will?<br class="">
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<p class="">Wait, maybe it can become a strip-city
modeled on <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Line,_Saudi_Arabia"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">
SA's "Line"</a>... at 100 miles long and 9million
population, the circumferential "line" would be 240
times as long and have a carrying capacity of >2
Billion based on their predicted precedent. Place
three of these orthogonal to one another like an
<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillary_sphere"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">armillary sphere</a>
and we are up to 6B? A modest bump in scale (cube
root of 1.5) could accommodate 9B! A few of us
(DaveW, GaryS, ... myself) rebellious non-urban
renegades could live in the remaining landscape NOT
covered by these 3 circumscribing strip cities and
live our lives in the spirit of Sean Connery's
character Zed in
<a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070948/"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Zardoz</a>!<br
class="">
</p>
<p class="">Heck, just a nice precursor to <a
href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a11183/could-we-build-a-ringworld-17166651/"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">
Larry Niven's Ringworld</a> tell Musk he can
keep his claims to Mars... at least until the rest
of us need the mass to integrate into a proper
<a
href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a11098/dyson-sphere/"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">
Dyson Sphere</a>...</p>
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16, 2022, 10:46 AM Gillian Densmore <<a
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<div dir="ltr" class="">frank: ah! thanks. It
seems like you've had 99 lives man.<br
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Fri,
Dec 16, 2022 at 12:28 AM Marcus Daniels <<a
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:
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background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">I like the idea of a
large transatlantic DC power cable.
That would enable solar power to
be distributed around the world.
It would reduce the need to depend
on batteries for wind and solar.
Of course, you raise #3, so it would
be a target for sabotage like with
Nordstream. It would be nice to
think there are things just to
valuable to destroy, but probably
there are no such things.</span></div>
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class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday,
December 16, 2022 12:01 AM<br
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<b class="">To:</b> The Friday
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <<a
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
technical notes on fusion
announcement</font>
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class="">What you are missing
includes <br class="">
1) Disposal of long term hazardous
nuclear waste.<br class="">
2) Problems in maintaining /
decommissioning ol older nuclear
fission plants<br class="">
3) Examples like we are seeing
Ukraine's nuclear plants caught up
in a war.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Fri, Dec
16, 2022 at 2:59 AM Gillian
Densmore <<a
href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">Ok so this is cool
and all. <br class="">
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<div class="">Sigh I'll ask <i
class="">that</i> question.
We want less carbons because <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFgBFYkBZ6E" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">the
planet is on f'n fire</a> .
As far as I know humans (in
the very least) accelerated
climate change. Ie we made
this mess clean it up. ok fair
so far I'm following.</div>
<div class="">So uh why not just
start with fission (breeders)
? Why not also put as much
money into matter/anti matter
as well as fusion? We can make
minute amounts of antimatter
in massive collider. I'd think
something who's by product are
xrays gamma and some other
stuff with a lot of energy
created would be a massive
honney pot the department of
energy would pursue as well.</div>
<div class="">I know the answer
to fission (sadly) is NIMBY.
(yes but it's a lot cleaner
and safer than oil and coal I
say)
<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I don't know why
we haven't looked at other
things as well</div>
<div class="">What I'm saying is
fusion has been humans icarus
wings with it being just
arround the corner for
decades. while matter/anti
matter is (sort of) here.
Fission is here. Want zero
carbons? cool! so why not
build out a ton of reactors we
already can do. Or am I
missing something?<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed,
Dec 14, 2022 at 8:31 AM Marcus
Daniels <<a
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<div dir="auto" class="">How
ICF might evolve into a
power plant:
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class="">On Dec 14,
2022, at 7:16 AM, glen
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class="">Excellent!
Thanks. I think I'll
have to push this
topic for another
day. I've got a few
more links from
other fora I'll plop
here just in case I
only land back here
if/when I pop it off
the stack later:</span><br
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class="">
<span class=""><a
href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2flasers.llnl.gov%2fnews%2fmagnetized-targets-boost-nif-implosion-performance&c=E,1,hBEOlKMckpiDlTJRo-WMQ56EfZB3lRXOEUuD1VMkpQJa7P3Uai717KSKg7Vj3lVpfZ5obboXZXkuKQjsh_7Q5MxlQr9IE-41gqZdtlw9JzZ5y8CqG4kq7gnyKg,,&typo=1"
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href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fspie.org%2fnews%2fnuclear-fusion-nifs-hall-of-mirrors-may-solve-worlds-energy-crisis%3fSSO%3d1&c=E,1,GpCwEyhXVZIFhCAPfuU3lWNSG77phcjxX5MROX9cuTbzcMJv84wE7troNfSjHa6PTjz6yJ13kVQltdk8tYUMQCp7SXNmzljHyri7FdraVJOlK_7siKJ86g,,&typo=1"
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<span class=""><a
href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.science.org%2fcontent%2farticle%2ffusion-power-may-run-fuel-even-gets-started&c=E,1,jUBL7xpus60wLeNUs2773Lb4fAQckmofYkTHcMV4xRrIfZK7qgpaj1zbVa0DgSUnnKWOduJnGFagpMIdATeil7rK35MgkXSpBuXj-y8WZg,,&typo=1"
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href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/what-enabled-the-big-boost-in-fusion-energy-announced-this-week/"
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<span class="">On
12/13/22 16:23,
Steve Smith wrote:</span><br
class="">
<blockquote
type="cite" class=""><span
class="">I think
DT refers simply
to the remaining
fraction of
Deuterium/Tritium
remaining after
the reaction event
(-4%) without
specific
accounting for
remaining D vs T.</span><br
class="">
</blockquote>
<blockquote
type="cite" class=""><span
class="">My
understanding is
that D-T fusion
occurs at a lower
temperature than
D-D but that once
fusion commences
(starting with
D-T), both D-T and
D-D reactions
occurring in
similar amounts.
In laser-driven
ICF (as with NIF)
I believe the
ratio of D/T is
nominally 50/50
though it would
seem to make sense
to have a higher T
to D ratio but
most references I
see imply equal
portions. An
equal number of
D-D and D-T
reactions would
seem to consume D
more quickly,
though as that
commences, the D/T
ratio would go
down, making D-T
reactions (yet)
more likely...
tricky business,
no wonder it has
taken decades to
get to this point?</span><br
class="">
</blockquote>
<blockquote
type="cite" class=""><span
class="">The
Wikipedia Entry on
ICF is pretty
good: <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion</a></span><br
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</blockquote>
<blockquote
type="cite" class=""><span
class="">I found
several popular
science Articles
which seem to
reinforce my sense
that this
"breakthrough" is
not as significant
as implied:</span><br
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type="cite" class=""><span
class=""> <a
href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.science.org%2fcontent%2farticle%2ffusion-breakthrough-nif-uh-not-really&c=E,1,bJK6eG7pRdZE7HXvxjakoGRlYzeO2sqOB6whhs0kHLnlO5a5-0R5olAtI6nD6th9x7swmyW9BIom9TGSnxOheZ5N4vnYYOlrKcdO5k22UtRVZMrzFSo29vBkjg,,&typo=1"
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<blockquote
type="cite" class=""><span
class="">Other
interesting/relevant
links regarding
D-T and D-D
fusion...</span><br
class="">
</blockquote>
<blockquote
type="cite" class=""><span
class=""><a
href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263507001_Species_separation_and_modification_of_neutron_diagnostics_in_inertial-confinement_fusion/figures?lo=1"
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class=""><a
href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.energy.gov%2fscience%2fdoe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions&c=E,1,OQeZ4eIqEldZ9Yy6dVdmHJ1n8_TELmX4RzLcEPE6xPLUJnh42qFE9PhkDL_Vp177-_HidTb8v_JAEgderc1dXmiU1QkJLoFpnnkS-ARLuL0L8No,&typo=1"
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<<a
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<blockquote
type="cite" class=""><span
class="">On
12/13/22 4:36 PM,
glen wrote:</span><br
class="">
</blockquote>
<blockquote
type="cite" class="">
<blockquote
type="cite"
class=""><span
class="">That's
why I asked. I
guess I'll
assume DT means
both deuterium
and tritium, not
just deuterium.
If you were
going to track
fuel use, you'd
track the rarer
part more
closely, right?</span><br
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class="">On
12/13/22 09:22,
Frank Wimberly
wrote:</span><br
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote
type="cite" class="">
<blockquote
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class="">DT =
deuterium?</span><br
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Calle Ojo
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class=""><span
class="">On
Tue, Dec 13,
2022, 10:21 AM
glen <<a
href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext
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moz-do-not-send="true">gepropella@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext
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moz-do-not-send="true">gepropella@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</span><br
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class="">
Awesome.
Thanks. I'm
still trying
to catch up
with the QC
Wormhole
kerfuffle. Who
knew Quanta
was so click
baity?</span><br
class="">
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What is "DT"?</span><br
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class="">
On 12/13/22
09:02, Marcus
Daniels wrote:</span><br
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> In case
no one wanted
to get up at
7:00am to
watch DOE
administrators
talk:</span><br
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> 1.
Controlling
the laser in
space and time
was important
for
maintaining
symmetry.
Timing
precision of
25e-12 secs
and laser
spatial
precision of
5e-12 meter
were needed.
This was
thought to be
the main
explanation
for the
achievement.</span><br
class="">
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> 2. 8%
more power on
the laser this
time</span><br
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type="cite"
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type="cite"
class=""><span
class="">
> 3. x-ray
tomography is
used to find
flaws in the
capsules.
Developing
software to do
the counting.</span><br
class="">
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type="cite"
class=""><span
class="">
> 4. They
have ongoing
efforts to
study the
fabrication
systems and
their
components
(done in
Germany) to
find
idiosyncrasies
of each.</span><br
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type="cite"
class=""><span
class="">
> 5. Laser
technology
improvements
since NIF was
built which
are 20% more
efficient.</span><br
class="">
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</blockquote>
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type="cite" class="">
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type="cite"
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> 6. Target
cost is from
labor, and it
takes 7 months
each</span><br
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type="cite"
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> 7. 4% of
DT is burned
in a shot</span><br
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type="cite"
class=""><span
class="">
> 8.
Machine
learning ties
together
radiation
hydrodynamics
and
experimental
data. (It
sounded
preliminary.)</span><br
class="">
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type="cite"
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class="">
> 9. The
(successful)
capsule had
more defects
than previous
experiments.
However,
previous
experiments
did show
benefits from
capsule
quality.</span><br
class="">
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> 10. 15%
of experiments
are indirect
drive of this
kind, 15% of
experiments
are other
approaches to
ignition. The
rest are
weapons and
materials
characterization.</span><br
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class="">
> 11.
Anomalous
laser
directional
control were
problems in
the summer
runs. Fixed
that.</span><br
class="">
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