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After spending the last few months arguing with the locals in Berkeley about installing a bike lane, I have come to the conclusion there won't be flourishing life on earth. (Well, ok, I believed that anyway.) Oddly enough the obstacle in that case is one
natural produce store that people must visit by driving their 200 hp car<span> <span>½</span> of a mile</span>. It is always some lifestyle thing that dooms us. Now imagine trying to connect the state with high-speed rail with hundreds of constituencies
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This fusion video should be the standard for how to present every single technological innovation, every so-called "renewable energy" device that is too little, too late, and most importantly
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<div dir="auto">I had never heard of a transatlantic power grid. That is an interesting idea. The sun is probably shining somewhere on the earth at any given time. Would a lot of energy get wasted with the long distances? </div>
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<div dir="ltr">frank: ah! thanks. It seems like you've had 99 lives man.<br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I like the idea of a large transatlantic DC power cable. That would enable solar power to be distributed around the world.
It would reduce the need to depend on batteries for wind and solar. Of course, you raise #3, so it would be a target for sabotage like with Nordstream. It would be nice to think there are things just to valuable to destroy, but probably there are no such
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1) Disposal of long term hazardous nuclear waste.<br>
2) Problems in maintaining / decommissioning ol older nuclear fission plants<br>
3) Examples like we are seeing Ukraine's nuclear plants caught up in a war.</div>
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<div>Ok so this is cool and all. <br>
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<div>Sigh I'll ask <i>that</i> question. We want less carbons because <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFgBFYkBZ6E" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">the planet is on f'n fire</a> . As far as I know humans (in the very least) accelerated climate change.
Ie we made this mess clean it up. ok fair so far I'm following.</div>
<div>So uh why not just start with fission (breeders) ? Why not also put as much money into matter/anti matter as well as fusion? We can make minute amounts of antimatter in massive collider. I'd think something who's by product are xrays gamma and some other
stuff with a lot of energy created would be a massive honney pot the department of energy would pursue as well.</div>
<div>I know the answer to fission (sadly) is NIMBY. (yes but it's a lot cleaner and safer than oil and coal I say)
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<div>What I'm saying is fusion has been humans icarus wings with it being just arround the corner for decades. while matter/anti matter is (sort of) here. Fission is here. Want zero carbons? cool! so why not build out a ton of reactors we already can do. Or
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<div dir="ltr">\ufeff<span>Excellent! Thanks. I think I'll have to push this topic for another day. I've got a few more links from other fora I'll plop here just in case I only land back here if/when I pop it off the stack later:</span><br>
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<span><a href="https://lasers.llnl.gov/news/magnetized-targets-boost-nif-implosion-performance" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasers.llnl.gov/news/magnetized-targets-boost-nif-implosion-performance</a></span><br>
<span><a href="https://spie.org/news/nuclear-fusion-nifs-hall-of-mirrors-may-solve-worlds-energy-crisis?SSO=1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spie.org/news/nuclear-fusion-nifs-hall-of-mirrors-may-solve-worlds-energy-crisis?SSO=1</a></span><br>
<span><a href="https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-power-may-run-fuel-even-gets-started" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-power-may-run-fuel-even-gets-started</a></span><br>
<span><a href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/what-enabled-the-big-boost-in-fusion-energy-announced-this-week/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/what-enabled-the-big-boost-in-fusion-energy-announced-this-week/</a></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>My understanding is that D-T fusion occurs at a lower temperature than D-D but that once fusion commences (starting with D-T), both D-T and D-D reactions occurring in similar amounts. In laser-driven ICF (as with NIF) I believe
the ratio of D/T is nominally 50/50 though it would seem to make sense to have a higher T to D ratio but most references I see imply equal portions. An equal number of D-D and D-T reactions would seem to consume D more quickly, though as that commences,
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