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<p>OK... who will take on the job of training chatGPT with the top
dozen FriAM characters and subscribing these digital
doppelganger/shadow-selves to the list to weigh in every time
their human counterpart is too slow to throw their hat in the
ring? Sounds like a job for Dr. StrangeCartoonLove? I suppose
he/she could be replaced by DAL-E in his/her day-job?</p>
<p>On my first published paper (1984) I had an excruciatingly large
amount of help with the grammatical construction from a
professional hired to work with every scientist and engineer at
LANL to guarantee a certain level of consistency and quality. I
was able to win over the writer/editor pretty quickly to an
awareness that my own style and grammar was "good enough" without
more than some proofing/tweaking from her, but I was totally
shocked at the level of "help" she was used to providing the
older, more senior folks we worked with. That level of support
went away within a few years and the quality of the "average"
paper went downhill pretty fast.</p>
<p>Much later I found myself publishing with others who had strong
ideas about the construction and stylization of papers and I found
myself giving over to that, mostly by letting them write the first
draft and then working hard to replace any placeholder text they
might have provided for my own contribution in the style of their
original and to shape their portions to be more comfortable to my
sensibilities without changing the semantics underneath the syntax
and vocabulary we were converging on.<br>
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<p>This is not the same as what chatGPT does but I wonder if it
couldn't be trained/configured to provide the same style of
support/collaboration in a positive, meaningful way rather than in
the implied snarky way we all imagine it being used by slackers
and lo(abu)sers to avoid and cheat the system or peers, or both?</p>
<p>Richard Gabriel was here a few weeks ago and gave a WedTech talk
on his <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://usesthis.com/interviews/richard.gabriel/">InkWell
project</a> which he made a point to describe as a "writing
assistant" and a "collaborator"...<br>
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<div>I also somehow feel that calling using a chatbot for
writing isn't plagiarism. Clever and to slacker maybe.
Definatly not in the spirit of a human in the loop doing the
typing or dictation to prove they didn't completely sleep in
class. Just that Plagiarism is inherently taking a humans
thing and saying you made that thing. Or does this also cover
Ai as well? <br>
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<div>Sigh and just to be <i>that </i>kind of person. I kind
of feel this teacher is wiffing on the chance to use this (and
likely other) papers as part of a object lesson in a class.
(see Carl long sentences :P) To be all like: now class if
you use a chatbot as your paper, are thinking about it, just
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sentences. Human, or a chatbot that's trying too hard
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<div>I thought bad prose. Amature writing and archiach,
random use of punctualization was my job :P <br>
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<div>I think it's a human. No selfrespecting bot
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