<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Instead of a cable - maybe Tesla\u2019s unrealized broadcast technology? I don\u2019t remember the details but he was going to send power from Long Island, via the ionosphere, to light the world expo in Paris. <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Davew</div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, at 2:16 PM, Steve Smith wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><p>Following the conception of a Transatlantic power cable, I just
heard on the radio that a couple huge globe-ish spanning
electrical-busses are under planning... one that might span from
Thailand to Saudi Arabia (through northern India) with Solar (and
other renewables?) tapping in along the way and load-shifting E/W
with the sunlight and load. Also maybe one that spans Australia
which I believe to be about as wide as the US? <br></p><p>Seems like TX's problems stemming from their own (short-sighted?)
self-isolation might be good hosts/promoters of such a
long-throw? <br></p><p>I don't know what it would take to upgrade the national rail
system to also be a load-balancing shadow network for renewable
electricity? I assume none of them are electrified (third rail)
but maybe laying one, given the pre-existing right-of-way and
regular inspection/maintenance/access available would be of
interest? But then maybe our FriAM member who is working on
converting natural gas to pneumatic energy-transfer/storage knows
more about all those issues? Hybridized infrastructure across
many types? <br></p><p>Maybe the existing Diesel-Electric Engines (most of what is on
the rail) could tap in mildly to reduce diesel consumption and do
their own load leveling? Fill empty tankers with water at the
top of lines (where there *is* water) and carry it to low lying
land, extracting the PE from the mass/elevation drop? Reline old
asphalt/fuel-oil/etc tankers and provide boutique "Rocky Mountain"
(or Cascades) branch-water to the big cities while extracting
(maybe) enough energy from the elevation drop to at least pay to
haul the damn empties back up the hill? <br></p><p> With me as the big "unintended consequence" chicken-little, I'm
sure most if not all of my hare-brained schemes are truly just
"asking for trouble", but I think it is inevitable that they will
all be considered in the spirit of adjacent-technical-possibles...<br></p><p>National Railway System: <a href="https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?webmap=96ec03e4fc8546bd8a864e39a2c3fc41" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?webmap=96ec03e4fc8546bd8a864e39a2c3fc41</a><br></p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAEmKtrwyCjVqgZc74dKrw5wGLKHnnOTw=SP7KzAcphWbddKBAw@mail.gmail.com"><div dir="ltr"><div class="qt-gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">This fusion video
should be the standard for how to present every single
technological innovation, every so-called "renewable energy"
device that is too little, too late, and most importantly
distracts us from thinking seriously about how we shall
survive climate catastrophe and continue to live a flourishing
life on earth. Thank you Carl--I think you sent this link to
the group. <br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 10:57
AM cody dooderson <<a href="mailto:d00d3rs0n@gmail.com" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">d00d3rs0n@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="auto">I had never heard of a transatlantic power
grid. That is an interesting idea. The sun is probably
shining somewhere on the earth at any given time. Would a
lot of energy get wasted with the long distances? <br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 16, 2022,
10:46 AM Gillian Densmore <<a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">frank: ah! thanks. It seems like you've had
99 lives man.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 16, 2022
at 12:28 AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:#000000;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;">I
like the idea of a large transatlantic DC
power cable. That would enable solar power
to be distributed around the world. It would
reduce the need to depend on batteries for
wind and solar. Of course, you raise #3, so
it would be a target for sabotage like with
Nordstream. It would be nice to think there
are things just to valuable to destroy, but
probably there are no such things.</span></span></span><br></div><div><hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%;"><br></div><div id="qt-m_4399891986765378784m_-2301734486870571381m_8721844790296258388divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="colour" style="color:#000000;"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
on behalf of Sarbajit Roy <<a href="mailto:sroy.mb@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">sroy.mb@gmail.com</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 16, 2022 12:01
AM<br> <b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on
fusion announcement</span></span> </div><div> <br></div></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><div>What
you are missing includes <br></div><div> 1) Disposal of long term hazardous nuclear
waste.<br></div><div> 2) Problems in maintaining / decommissioning
ol older nuclear fission plants<br></div><div> 3) Examples like we are seeing Ukraine's
nuclear plants caught up in a war.<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 2:59 AM
Gillian Densmore <<a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Ok so this is cool and all. <br></div><div>Sigh I'll ask <i>that</i> question.
We want less carbons because <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFgBFYkBZ6E" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">the planet is
on f'n fire</a> . As far as I know
humans (in the very least) accelerated
climate change. Ie we made this mess
clean it up. ok fair so far I'm
following.<br></div><div>So uh why not just start with fission
(breeders) ? Why not also put as much
money into matter/anti matter as well as
fusion? We can make minute amounts of
antimatter in massive collider. I'd
think something who's by product are
xrays gamma and some other stuff with a
lot of energy created would be a massive
honney pot the department of energy
would pursue as well.<br></div><div>I know the answer to fission (sadly)
is NIMBY. (yes but it's a lot cleaner
and safer than oil and coal I say) <br></div><div>I don't know why we haven't looked at
other things as well<br></div><div>What I'm saying is fusion has been
humans icarus wings with it being just
arround the corner for decades. while
matter/anti matter is (sort of) here.
Fission is here. Want zero carbons?
cool! so why not build out a ton of
reactors we already can do. Or am I
missing something?<br></div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at
8:31 AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div>How ICF might evolve
into a power plant: <br></div><div><br></div><div><div> <a href="https://firstlightfusion.com/technology/power-plant" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://firstlightfusion.com/technology/power-plant</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone<br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 14,
2022, at 7:16 AM, glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">gepropella@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>\ufeff<span>Excellent!
Thanks. I think I'll have to
push this topic for another
day. I've got a few more links
from other fora I'll plop here
just in case I only land back
here if/when I pop it off the
stack later:</span><br></div><div> <span></span><br></div><div> <span><a href="https://lasers.llnl.gov/news/magnetized-targets-boost-nif-implosion-performance" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lasers.llnl.gov/news/magnetized-targets-boost-nif-implosion-performance</a></span><br></div><div> <span><a href="https://spie.org/news/nuclear-fusion-nifs-hall-of-mirrors-may-solve-worlds-energy-crisis?SSO=1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://spie.org/news/nuclear-fusion-nifs-hall-of-mirrors-may-solve-worlds-energy-crisis?SSO=1</a></span><br></div><div> <span><a href="https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-power-may-run-fuel-even-gets-started" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-power-may-run-fuel-even-gets-started</a></span><br></div><div> <span><a href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/what-enabled-the-big-boost-in-fusion-energy-announced-this-week/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/what-enabled-the-big-boost-in-fusion-energy-announced-this-week/</a></span><br></div><div> <span></span><br></div><div> <span>On 12/13/22 16:23, Steve
Smith wrote:</span><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span>I
think DT refers simply to
the remaining fraction of
Deuterium/Tritium remaining
after the reaction event
(-4%) without specific
accounting for remaining D
vs T.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>My
understanding is that D-T
fusion occurs at a lower
temperature than D-D but
that once fusion commences
(starting with D-T), both
D-T and D-D reactions
occurring in similar
amounts. In laser-driven ICF
(as with NIF) I believe the
ratio of D/T is nominally
50/50 though it would seem
to make sense to have a
higher T to D ratio but most
references I see imply equal
portions. An equal number
of D-D and D-T reactions
would seem to consume D more
quickly, though as that
commences, the D/T ratio
would go down, making D-T
reactions (yet) more
likely... tricky business,
no wonder it has taken
decades to get to this
point?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The
Wikipedia Entry on ICF is
pretty good: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext"> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I
found several popular
science Articles which seem
to reinforce my sense that
this "breakthrough" is not
as significant as implied:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-breakthrough-nif-uh-not-really" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-breakthrough-nif-uh-not-really</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Other
interesting/relevant links
regarding D-T and D-D
fusion...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263507001_Species_separation_and_modification_of_neutron_diagnostics_in_inertial-confinement_fusion/figures?lo=1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263507001_Species_separation_and_modification_of_neutron_diagnostics_in_inertial-confinement_fusion/figures?lo=1</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions</a> <<a href="https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://science.jrank.org/pages/4732/Nuclear-Fusion-D-D-D-T-reactions.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://science.jrank.org/pages/4732/Nuclear-Fusion-D-D-D-T-reactions.html</a> <<a href="https://science.jrank.org/pages/4732/Nuclear-Fusion-D-D-D-T-reactions.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://science.jrank.org/pages/4732/Nuclear-Fusion-D-D-D-T-reactions.html</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On
12/13/22 4:36 PM, glen
wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>That's
why I asked. I guess I'll
assume DT means both
deuterium and tritium, not
just deuterium. If you
were going to track fuel
use, you'd track the rarer
part more closely, right?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On
12/13/22 09:22, Frank
Wimberly wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>DT
= deuterium?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>---</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Frank
C. Wimberly</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>140
Calle Ojo Feliz,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Santa
Fe, NM 87505</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>505 <a href="tel:670-9918">670-9918</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Santa
Fe, NM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On
Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 10:21
AM glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">gepropella@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">gepropella@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
Awesome. Thanks. I'm
still trying to catch up
with the QC Wormhole
kerfuffle. Who knew
Quanta was so click
baity?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
What is "DT"?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
On 12/13/22 09:02,
Marcus Daniels wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> In case no one
wanted to get up at
7:00am to watch DOE
administrators talk:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 1. Controlling the
laser in space and time
was important for
maintaining symmetry.
Timing precision of
25e-12 secs and laser
spatial precision of
5e-12 meter were needed.
This was thought to be
the main explanation for
the achievement.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 2. 8% more power on
the laser this time</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 3. x-ray tomography
is used to find flaws in
the capsules.
Developing software to
do the counting.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 4. They have
ongoing efforts to study
the fabrication systems
and their components
(done in Germany) to
find idiosyncrasies of
each.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 5. Laser technology
improvements since NIF
was built which are 20%
more efficient.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 6. Target cost is
from labor, and it takes
7 months each</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 7. 4% of DT is
burned in a shot</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 8. Machine learning
ties together radiation
hydrodynamics and
experimental data. (It
sounded preliminary.)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 9. The (successful)
capsule had more defects
than previous
experiments. However,
previous experiments did
show benefits from
capsule quality.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 10. 15% of
experiments are indirect
drive of this kind, 15%
of experiments are other
approaches to ignition.
The rest are weapons and
materials
characterization.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>
> 11. Anomalous laser
directional control were
problems in the summer
runs. Fixed that.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div><span></span><br></div><div><span></span><br></div><div><span>-- </span><br></div><div> <span>\ua66e M\u0265\u01ddu \u01ddl\u01ddd\u0265\u0250u\u0287s \u025f\u1d09\u0183\u0265\u0287'
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