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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/18/23 9:30 AM, cody dooderson
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<div dir="ltr">Would it be possible for some hologram people
(maybe Steve Smith and associates), to turn one of these
convolutional neural networks into an optical convolutional
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<p>Nevermore! <br>
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<p>Sadly, even when Fred Unterseher (LAVA Holographics) was still
alive and had his lab functioning, I don't know that we could have
pulled more than a mundane demonstration of even the simplest
example of this off.</p>
<p>There were times when we tried to put some formal understanding
on the very ad-hoc/intuitive *mandalas* he created as an
art/spiritual/meditative form. There were times when two or more
of them hanging in a window (so very nearly perfect coherent light
from the sun) would throw diffraction patterns back and forth and
we were left speculating as to whether they were perhaps doing
some kind of interesting (if not directedly useful) "computation".</p>
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<div dir="ltr">I could see a bunch of layers of tiny lenses with
different 'weights' doing the same thing as say a YOLO object
detection network. <br>
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<p>I had a short side-gig with the State Department right after the
fall of the Soviet Union when they were actively running a "keep a
Soviet Scientist off the Street" program to augment the "loose
Nuke" wrangling going on at the time. One of the more
fascinating papers I reviewed for them was on "optical computing"
and at the time (I was about your (Cody's) age at the time, maybe
a few years younger even) felt to be very close to what you are
talking about. <br>
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<p>Standing in for your term "tiny optical lenses" would have been
"holographic optical elements" (HOEs) which in fact might not have
been quite as *discrete* as lenses, but rather a (near)
continuum/distribution of diffraction plenum (my made up term).
Fred's specialty was in using organic light-sensitive materials
which recorded constructive/destructive patterns as thickness in a
gel rather than the silver-halide photographic processes which
recorded as silver-grain sizes. The optics/physics implications
are subtle and I don't pretend to be able to dredge much of *that*
out of my rear-view mirror but I believed (with limited support)
at the time that the differences *might* have been important
(especially in the Mandala-Mandala-Mandala interactions) to the
fidelity of the wave-structures being iterated optically. <br>
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<p>Thanks for the nod, even if all I can offer in response is some
neurodivergent spastic head (and tongue) wagging back at ya!</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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That would be a power budget of a HPC center, but not out
of the ordinary. Less than 10 MW. AWS, Azure, Google
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Pieter Steenekamp <<a
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<div dir="ltr">I totally agree that realizable
behavior is what matters.<br>
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The elephant in the room is whether AI (and robotics
of course) will (not to replace but to) be able to
do better than humans in all respects, including
come up with creative solutions to not only the
world's most pressing problems but also small
creative things like writing poems, and then to do
the mental and physical tasks required to provide
goods and services to all in the world,<br>
<br>
Sam Altman said there are two things that will shape
our future; intelligence and energy. If we have real
abundant intelligence and energy, the world will be
very different indeed.
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<div>To quote Sam Altmen at <a
href="https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/startups/intelligence-energy-sam-altmans-technology-predictions-for-2020s/articleshow/86088731.cms"
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"intelligence and energy have been the
fundamental limiters towards most things we
want. A future where these are not the limiting
reagents will be radically different, and can be
amazingly better."</span></div>
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Definitions are all fine and good, but realizable
behavior is what matters. Analog computers will
have imperfect behavior, and there will be leakage
between components. A large network of
transistors or neurons are sufficiently similar
for my purposes. The unrolling would be inside a
skull, so somewhat isolated from interference.<br>
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I don't quite grok that. A crisp definition of
recursion implies no interaction with the outside
world, right? If you can tolerate the ambiguity in
that statement, the artifacts laying about from an
unrolled recursion might be seen and used by
outsiders. That's not to say a trespasser can't
have some sophisticated intrusion technique. But
unrolled seems more "open" to family, friends, and
the occasional acquaintance.<br>
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On 1/17/23 13:37, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
> I probably didn't pay enough attention to the
thread some time ago on serialization, but to me
recursion is hard to distinguish from an unrolling
of recursion.<br>
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