<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">If you are looking for good books to read, I am reading at the moment "Magnificent Rebels" from Andrea Wulf, among others. I have bought it recently at a bookstore in Berlin and it is one of the better books I have read recently. <br>https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/609881/magnificent-rebels-by-andrea-wulf/<br><br>-J.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 2/17/23 11:53 PM (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks, Jochen. I am on it. N<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:52 AM Jochen Fromm <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net">jofr@cas-group.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">It reminds me of this book:</div><div dir="auto">The Zoologist's Guide to the Galaxy</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646643/the-zoologists-guide-to-the-galaxy-by-arik-kershenbaum/">https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646643/the-zoologists-guide-to-the-galaxy-by-arik-kershenbaum/</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" style="font-size:100%;color:rgb(0,0,0)" dir="auto"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Nicholas Thompson <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> </div><div>Date: 2/16/23 10:22 AM (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>> </div><div>Cc: Mike Bybee <<a href="mailto:mikebybee@earthlink.net">mikebybee@earthlink.net</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div>DISCUSS: If we were Martians sent to earth to study animal life EXCLUSIVE OF human life, would we ever have come up with the idea of categories? What is there that animals do that demands us to invent categories to explain their behavior? Could we build a theory of animal life based solely on associations among experiences... their experiences, not ours. <br></div><div><br></div><div>n<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:14 PM Nicholas Thompson <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sorry, Dave.<span> </span>Will miss you.<span> </span>You have been my most faithful recent companion in my quest for windmills to topple. As for your double take, I probably used the wrong initials. I was thinking about the AI thing which, I gather, Bing is now employing to get us all advice on how to cure our lumbago, without ever having to bother with that nasty Mayo Clinic website. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link metaphor. It’s easier to think of clouds probabilistically.<span> </span>Clouds are awfully passive entities to serve in the way I need them to.<span> </span>Clouds are not, in the first instance, things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves become things, but <span>Idon’t</span> think you have anticipated that metaphoric implication.)<span> </span><span> </span>my ”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I admit that “probabilistic link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not a very evocative metaphor. How about ”woodland path”<span> </span>Woodland pathways provide a more dynamic image than “links”.<span> </span>Started by a rabbit, adopted by a coyote, exploited by a deer, blundered into by a cow, woodland pathways flourish or fail by use and by the attractiveness of the nodes where they converge or cross. Each use favors future use and nodes become prominent not only for their inherent attractiveness but because they are on the way to. attractive nodes. Thus Sublette KS is a well traveled node not only because of the tourist attraction of visiting the place where the 1917-18 ("spanish") flu got its start, but also because it happens to be on the shortest route from NYC to LA. .</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span> </span></span><span>in thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case.<span> </span>Humans are too complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals in currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness."<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I wish we could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to <span>drop in</span> on us around 11 <span>tomorrow,if</span> only to show <span>your</span> faces. The node is
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</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Nick <span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-1533524254781639799_m_-7167639072541495562_m_7707116631323644993_m_-1044461781999487380_m_-271387994472824036__MailEndCompose"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p><span></span><div><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-1533524254781639799_m_-7167639072541495562_m_7707116631323644993_m_-1044461781999487380_m_-271387994472824036__MailOriginal"><b><span>From:</span></b></a><span><span> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic net, just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud lacks explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think, Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, </span></span><a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"><span><span>thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" id="m_-1533524254781639799m_-7167639072541495562m_7707116631323644993m_-1044461781999487380m_-271387994472824036qt"><div><p><span>FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in a network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc. This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a (shudder) nominalist? I hope not. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span>Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business. Words place constraints on how vague these nodes can be. They impose on the network constraints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my associations with “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the horse seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms. Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span>The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a decade ago. Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an associative web; don’t associate with other words in exactly the same manner in which experiences associate with other experiences. Still, I think the metaphor is interesting. Also, I am kind of re-interested in my “authorial voice”, how much it operates like cbt.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span>Rushing,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span>Nick<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><span>From:</span></b></span><span><span> Friam <</span></span><a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><span><span>friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Charles<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><span>Sent:</span></b></span><span><span> Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><span>To:</span></b></span><span><span> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <</span></span><a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><span><span>friam@redfish.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span>><u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><span>Subject:</span></b></span><span><span> Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div></div><p><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p><span>Well shoot..... that would do it.... Thank you! <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p><span>On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly <</span><a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com"><span>wimberly3@gmail.com</span><span></span></a><span>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span>Today is Wednesday, isn't it?<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>---<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>Frank C. Wimberly<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>Santa Fe, NM 87505<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>505 670-9918<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>Santa Fe, NM<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div></div></div><p><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p><span>On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles <</span><a href="mailto:eric.phillip.charles@gmail.com"><span>eric.phillip.charles@gmail.com</span><span></span></a><span>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><span>Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? 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