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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Marcus shared:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A third option is to think harder about
what moral respect really means. Bender seemed to not think
very deeply when it came to animals.<br>
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<p>OMG! <a contracted-text contemporary pop-culture
utterance> this article is deep, broad, dense and rich IMO
<also a ctcpcu>. <br>
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<p>As I read through it (I started to skim the intro, maybe the
summary, maybe a few words or quotes that stood out, but after the
first paragraph or two got drawn into a full line-by-line read) I
was drawn into what feels like the story behind the story. Still
somewhat superficial in detail, but a level of detail more
complete (depth and breadth) than what I have encountered
casually. Folks here probably know a great deal of the referents
this article uses but much of it was very new to me.</p>
<p>I found at least a dozen paragraphs/passages/points-made that
seemed highly relevant to FriAM threads of (mostly recent in
non-internet time) yore:</p>
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<li>DaveW's complaints about the machine-metaphor for (human?)
consciousness (or mind?)</li>
<li>GlenR's assertions about (and please correct me because I am
wrong) about the illusion that communication exists</li>
<li>The analogy of AI artifacts as "counterfeit people" opposite
how we treat counterfeit money and how perhaps News Talking
Heads (see assertions of "fake news" and the recent spate of
exposures of Faux's deep duplicity in these matters), and
politicians (notably George Santos, but many other variants) are
already "counterfeit people".</li>
<li>Repeated references to the implications of AI artifacts not
being about the artifacts (and their actual abilities) but our
individual and collective reactions to them, and the "world we
create" (referencing intersubjectivity) in response.</li>
<li>As a meta-point to the last, one quote was <br>
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<li><i><font size="1"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">“From
here on out, the safe use of artificial intelligence
requires demystifying the human condition,” Joanna
Bryson</span></font></i></li>
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<li>Arguments against "Artificial People" parallel the arguments
about Corporations (not) being People for
legal/regulatory/free-speech purposes.</li>
<li>Are AI artifacts tools or peers? The Valorization of fooling
people elevates the latter (to a fault) while undermining the
former.</li>
<li>The personhood argument confounds/conflates (for better/worse)
the same arguments around how we relate to "lesser" animals and
presumably inanimate objects (rivers, forests, oceans, the
biosphere).</li>
<li>As we (might) try to make AI artifacts accountable/responsible
we might be hitting a conflation with old models of human
slavery and chattelization of subgroups. e.g.
Shadow/fractional-status, etc.</li>
<li>And a pointed quote for the Transhumanist/Singularians among
us I understand why you might want to deny/escape/transcend
this:</li>
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<li><i>"</i><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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!important; float: none;">It’s hard being a human. You
lose people you love. You suffer and yearn. Your body
breaks down. You want things — you want people — you can’t
control."</span></i></li>
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<li>This last quote was followed by some pointed points about
narcissism.<i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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