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<p>It sounds like "the Adjacent Possible" just ain't possible* in
AI land? With the punchline "you just can't get there from here"?</p>
<p>So what is the graph geodesic distance across the adjacent
possible between "today" and Kurzweil's <i>singularity</i>? And
is the topology of "the Singularity" a fully connected graph in
the AP with a max distance of 1? All things are (equally)
possible? Like the graph-theoretic equivalent of a black hole?
Thus <i>singularity</i>? <i>Everything, Everywhere, All at
Once </i>? Sounds like the "entropy death" of the multiverse?<br>
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<p>Or is the conceit that there is a practical limit to human's
ability to "keep up" and we are simply "overcome by events" while
the *universe* continues to be roughly as complex as ever, just
with human's complexity overshadowed/outstripped by that of
machine intelligence? WE Be Deprecated?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/1/23 8:29 AM, Roger Critchlow
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<div dir="ltr">I think that it depends on having a board of
directors/private owner prepared to take their hands off the
wheel.
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<div>The main problem would be trolls attempting adversarial
prompts. However comfortable you might get with the ai's
ability to handle the day to day affairs, would you ever feel
safe from some ai whisperer persuading it to give everything
away and become a yogi? I suppose you have the same problem
with meat C-suite officers, too.</div>
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<div>I tried to get Bard to talk with me about the adjacent
possible (AP) the other day. It agreed that the AP could not
be represented as a mathematical set, but it continued to talk
about the AP as if it were a set. So it suggested formulating
the AP as a graph, or a tree, or as the states of a dynamical
system. I pushed for a non-set formalism and it gave me fuzzy
sets. I guess I have to try harder.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 8:05 AM
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<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Good point, Cody!<br>
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<div>On Mar 31, 2023, at 9:16 PM, cody dooderson <<a
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<div dir="auto">While I think that AI could soon
handle the managerial part of a CEO's job, they may
have trouble playing golf. It might not matter if
the stock is going up.
<div dir="auto">I am very ignorant about what CEO's
do 'though. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 31,
2023, 5:33 PM Grant Holland <<a
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So what do you
think? Are CEOs, CFOs etc. and corporate board
members at any medium or short-term risk of losing
their jobs to machine learning? I like to hear
some opinions on this.<br>
<br>
Thx,<br>
Grant<br>
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> On Mar 31, 2023, at 1:21 PM, Gary Schiltz
<<a href="mailto:gary@naturesvisualarts.com"
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wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Arrrr... looking more closely, Grant wrote
CxO not QxO. Google quickly<br>
> enlightened me on the former. Sorry for the
noise.<br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:19 PM Gary Schiltz
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wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> I must admit my ignorance here, not aided
in the least by a cursory<br>
>> Google search: What is QxO?<br>
>> <br>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:59 AM Grant
Holland<br>
>> <<a
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wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Frank,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I'm wondering why no-one seems to
raise the specter that AI could start replacing
management personnel. And I’m including CxO’s
here; because I’m not convinced that CxO-ing is
rocket science or quantum mechanics. Think of the
billions saved. After all, if machine learning
cannot get good at making better decisions than
humans, and constantly improving at it, I would be
very surprised.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Grant<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Mar 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Frank
Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Not particularly relevant to your
main point but Raj Reddy, close colleague of
Newell and Simon, once said, "It is easier use AI
to replace a college professor than a bulldozer
operator" or words tho that effect.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Frank<br>
>>> <br>
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>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:50 AM Prof
David West <<a
href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> The "AI Pause" made national TV
news yesterday (long after those on this list
noted and reacted to it) and that made me revisit
a theme I have thought about since Newell, Simon,
and Shaw created Logic Theorist.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Advocates take a caricature
(perhaps too strong a word) of human intelligence,
write a program to emulate it and declare the
program "intelligent."<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> The original conceit: true
intelligence was the kind of thinking exhibited by
college professors and scientists. Almost trivial
to emulate (Newell and Simon programmed Logic
Theorist on 3x5 cards before Shaw was able to
implement on a computer).<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Maybe reading—correctly
converting text to sound, like a child—was more
indicative of human intelligence, and Sejnowski
created NetTalk. that, somewhat eerily, produced
discoveries of sounds, and errors, and achieved
near perfect ability to "read." Listen to the
tapes sometime and contrast them with tapes of a
human child learning to read. Of course,
comprehension of what was read did not make the
cut.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> State of the art improved
dramatically and the caricatures of human
intelligence are more sophisticated and the
achievements of the programs more interesting.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> But, it seems to me there is
still a critical gap. We can program an AI (or let
one learn) to fly a commercial jet as well or
better than a human pilot—BUT, could even the best
of of breed of such an AI pull a Shullenberger and
land on the Hudson River?<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Another factor behind the
"hysteria" (sorry for the sexism) over AIs causing
massive unemployment is a corollary to the
caricaturization of human intelligence. Since the
Industrial Revolution, and certainly since the age
of Taylorism and the rise of automation; work
itself has been dehumanizing.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> If you define human work in terms
of what can be done by a computer then it is
tautological to claim an AI is intelligent because
it can perform human work.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I was contemplating ChatAIs and
quickly realized that my profession—college
professor—was one at immense risk of replacement.
I would bet good money that a ChatAI could
produce, and maybe deliver, lectures far better
than any I created in 30 years teaching. And
probably most, if not all, of the presentations I
made at professional conferences over the years.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I am still vain enough to think
that some of the papers and books I have written
are beyond an AI, and certain that no AI could do
as well in spontaneious Q&A after a
presentation than I.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Bottom line, I still believe that
AI can and does equate to HI, only when some
aspect of HI is ommitted from the equation. This
is not essentialism, but analogous to the
digitization of a sine wave, no matter the finite
sampling rate, there is always some missing
information.<br>
>>>> <br>
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