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<p class="MsoNormal">There are many idiosyncrasies of me that I would just as soon not exist. The new avatar could be the aspirational me!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Prof David West<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2023 8:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Bard and Don Quixote<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My sympathies would be with your friend—until such time as a<b><i><u> "clone exactly like her ... behavior, words, or even existence..."
</u></i></b>was demonstrated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Exactly" is a big word! and I would add "completely."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Even on a single dimension, say use of language, the standard of exact and complete is hard to satisfy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have no problem believing that a chat-bot could write an academic paper or either of my books; put together, and deliver in my voice, a lecture ; play bar-trivia at the pub; or carry on a convincing
conversation. I have no doubt that, in the very near future, the same bot might be able to project a video that included mannerisms and simulation of the way I pace around a classroom.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">But exactitude would require, not only, all the things I do do, and the idiosyncrasies in the way that I do them, but also the idiosyncrasies of my inabilities: I can never get the crossword
clues involving popular culture, for example.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If a clone is built that "walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" but does not migrate or lay eggs; is it really a duck?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I would concede the equivalence issue of means or mechanisms behind the observable; e.g., it does not matter if the observed behavior results from electrons in gold wires or electrons in dendrites.
But I would at least raise the question as to whether, in specific instances, a 'subjective' behind the behavior is or is not critical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For example, and forgive the personal, you have mentioned being in pain all of your life. Would it be necessary for a bot to "feel pain" as you have in order to "act exactly like you?" Or is
there an "algorithmic equivalent" possible for the bot to utilize in order to obtain unerring verisimilitude?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Then there is the whole question of experience in general. Would
<b><i><u>I</u></i></b> really be <b><i><u>me</u></i></b>, sans the LSD trips over the years? If not, then how will the bot "calculate" for itself, identical or at least highly similar, experience equivalents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Even if, in principle, it were possible to devise algorithms and programs that did result in behavior that mimicked Dave at every stage of its existence, will those algorithms be invented and
programs written before the heat death of the universe? You cannot attempt to finesse this quest by invoking "self-learning" because then you need a training set that is at least as extensive as the 75 year training set that the mechanism you would have me
be, has utilized to become me. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I might agree that, in principle,<b><i><u> "A bot that acts indistinguishably from how you act *is* you,"
</u></i></b>I think the implication of the word "indistinguishably" is a bar that will never be attained.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Tue, May 16, 2023, at 6:46 PM, glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> That's a great point. To be honest, anyone who is accurately mimicked by <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> a bot should be just fine with that mimicry, leveraging the word <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> "accurate", of course. I mean, isn't that a sci-fi plot? Your bot <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> responds to things so that you don't have to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> A friend of mine recently objected that "algorithms" are "reductive". I <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> tried to argue that algorithms (in the modern sense of The Algorithm) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> can be either reductive or expansive (e.g. combinatorial explosion). But <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> she was having none of it. I think her position boiled down to the idea <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> that humans are complex, multi-faceted, deep creatures. And taking 1 or <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> few measurements and then claiming that represents them in some space <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> reduces the whole human to a low-dim vector.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> So, for her, I can imagine even if she were cloned and her clone acted <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> exactly like her, she would never accept that clone's behavior, words, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> or even existence as actually *being* her. There's some sense of agency <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> or an inner world, or whatever, that accuracy becomes moot. It's the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> qualia that matter, the subjective sense of free will ... metaphysical <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> nonsense.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> A bot that acts indistinguishably from how you act *is* you. I guess I'm <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> dangerously close to claiming that GPT-4 and Bard actually are <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> sentient/conscious. *8^O<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> On 5/16/23 11:50, Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> I don’t really get it. Trump can go on a TV town hall and lie, and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> those folks just lap it up. Sue a company for learning some fancy <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> patterns? Really? If someone made a generative model of, say, Glen’s <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> visual appearance and vocal mannerisms and gave him a shtick that didn’t <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> match up with his past remarks, I think I’d notice it right away. If <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> a GPT-X could fake Eric Smith, I can safely take the blue pill. Some <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> of our transactions will probably require more cryptographic signing. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Fine, they probably should have already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> *From:* Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 11:33 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> *To:* <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Bard and Don Quixote<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Jochen -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Very interesting framing... as a followup I took the converse <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> (inverse?) question To GPT4..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> /If we consider an LLM (Large Language Model) as the Sancho Panza to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> the Don Quixote of its human users, we can explore a couple of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> potential aspects:/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> 1. /Grounding and Practicality: Sancho Panza is known for his<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> grounded perspective and practicality, which complements Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Quixote's idealism. Similarly, an LLM can provide factual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> information, context, and practical insights to guide and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> support human users in their interactions. It can offer a wealth<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> of knowledge and help bridge gaps in understanding, serving as a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> pragmatic companion./<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> 2. /Balancing Imagination and Realism: Don Quixote embodies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> imagination and creative thinking, while Sancho Panza offers a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> more realistic viewpoint. Similarly, an LLM can enhance human<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> creativity by generating imaginative ideas and expanding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> possibilities. At the same time, it can bring rationality and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> critical thinking, ensuring that the generated content aligns<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> with facts and reason./<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> 3. /Providing Different Perspectives: Sancho Panza often offers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> alternative viewpoints and challenges Don Quixote's romanticized<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> notions. Similarly, an LLM can present diverse perspectives,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> consider different angles, and engage in nuanced discussions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> with human users. It can help users explore varying opinions and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> broaden their understanding of complex topics./<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> 4. /Ethical Guidance: Sancho Panza acts as a moral compass,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> advising Don Quixote on the right course of action. In a similar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> vein, an LLM can provide ethical guidance by highlighting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> potential biases, promoting inclusivity, and encouraging<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> responsible use of language and information. It can contribute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> to creating a more informed and ethical digital environment./<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> /However, it's important to note that an LLM, as a machine learning<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> model, lacks human experiences, emotions, and deeper understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> While it can offer valuable assistance, it may not fully grasp the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> complexities of human interactions or possess the wisdom and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> empathetic qualities of a human companion like Sancho Panza.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Therefore, while an LLM can serve as a useful tool, it should be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> complemented by human judgment and critical thinking to navigate the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> nuances of real-life situations./<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> I am a couple of hours behind on the live feed Senate hearing on AI <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <<a href="https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/committee-activity/hearings/oversight-of-ai-rules-for-artificial-intelligence">https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/committee-activity/hearings/oversight-of-ai-rules-for-artificial-intelligence</a>>
listening in fits and starts between other things:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> 1. I was definitely impressed with Altman (OpenAI), Montgomery (IBM)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> and Marcus' (NYU) thoughtful and extrapolative responses rather than<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> perhaps the more usual defensive/deflective/adversarial style that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> these hearings often have... I don't know who chose this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> particular lineup but I thought both Montgomery and Marcus made a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> good complement to Altman. If Google and Microsoft and ??? had been<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> there it might have reflected more "competitive" or "showy" answers?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> 2. I was impressed with the Senators (compared to my fairly low<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> expectations). Even Kennedy and Hawley managed not to do their<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> usual grandstanding and and snide sniping. Altman handed Hawley's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> question "why don't we just let people sue you?" (as a mode of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> regulation/oversight) back to him quite deftly (in the style of "ass<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> with both hands") by responding simply "I know of no reason people<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> CAN'T sue us today if we cause harm". Marcus chipped in pretty well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> outlining how the current laws that *might* apply are not well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> suited for many reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> 3. I felt that all three witnesses walked the fine line on the question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> of a "moratoriam" fairly deftly, acknowledging that they endorse the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> spirit of not running headlong and thoughtlessly into the future but<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> at the same time there is no obvious practical way to implement and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> enforce this, but that they are all enforcing their own limits on<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> how fast (and thoughtlessly?) they might roll out development to the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> public...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> 4. In closing Blumenthal suggested having ChatGPT rewrite the lyrics<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> to "Don't Stop" (thinking about tomorrow (McVie-Fleetwood Mac) which<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> I took to heart. I was not impressed with it's results and won't<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> burden the list with it. I'm guessing Blumenthal did *not* actually<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> do that but like Quixote, simply saw the windmill and thought it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> might be a giant?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> On 5/16/23 11:30 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> I have asked Bard ( bard.google.com) today about Don Quixote from<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Cervantes, and if a large language model would be similar to a Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Quixote without a Sancho Panza.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Here is what Bard replied:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> "In a way, large language models can be seen as Don Quixotes without<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Sancho Panzas. They are trained on massive amounts of text data, and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> they are able to generate text, translate languages, write different<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> kinds of creative content, and answer your questions in an<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> informative way. However, they are not always able to distinguish<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> between reality and fiction, and they can sometimes make mistakes or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> generate text that is not accurate or helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Sancho Panza, on the other hand, is a realist who helps Don Quixote<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> to stay grounded in reality. He provides Don Quixote with common<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> sense and practical advice, and he helps him to avoid making mistakes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> Large language models could benefit from having a Sancho Panza<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> figure to help them to stay grounded in reality and to avoid making<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> mistakes. This could be done by having a human being or another<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> large language model to review the text that the large language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> model generates. This would help to ensure that the text is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>> accurate, helpful, and appropriate"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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