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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/29/23 1:32 PM, Marcus Daniels
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      I believe that Zoox, Cruise, Waymo, and Tesla all use these
      techniques.  
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    I was involved in a project in the 90s where I was introduced to the
    degenerate form:  Trigram Analysis.  It was fascinatingly effective
    *and* fairly easy to understand/explain through a few examples
    (especially when compressing out white-space and therefore picking
    up word endings juxtaposed with word-beginnings ( "ng z" or "ng q"
    or "ls a" or "a sl") providing surprisingly good word-word context
    which in turn correlates "forward" to limited phrase context (i.e. 
    such as when "ng" words (verbs?) precede words starting with any
    particular unusual consonant).<br>
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      <div>Also my dog does not consider the Roomba to be alive.  She
        performed some experiments.</div>
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    <p>My previous dog ( a little skitchy to start with ) never
      liked/trusted our roboVac (Roomba-knockoff) and I would say
      treated it as if it were alive.  My previous cat (very old, very
      experienced, still active hunter at 20) never gave it a second
      look.  My new dog (puppy who grew up with Babadook (our pet name
      for the roboVac)) is almost entirely non-plussed by the roboVac
      *except* when I drive it (by remote) to keep following/confronting
      him then he wants to scare/play it.   My new cat (also 1 year old)
      also ignores Babadook even when *I* drive it... but she *does*
      simply leave the room (the entire floor) probably because the high
      pitched whine is irritating?   <br>
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    <p>FWIW my dog *does* take interest/exception to things happening on
      our 40" TV screen with/without familiar sounds (e.g. barking)  but
      his interest is fleeting and can't be fooled by bringing back the
      same visuals, including images/videos of himself.   The cat walks
      across the shelf in front of the TV noticing nothing more than
      perhaps the warmth emanating from the box?   I sit and stare at
      for hours, getting deeply involved in the personal lives of the
      fictional ensemble characters who show up faithfully week by week
      (or hour by hour if I'm binging)...</p>
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                  saw that Rodney Brooks video. He claimed that
                  transformer-based software has no semantic content. I
                  think that's an exaggeration. The semantic content is
                  defined by the token embeddings. So many of the
                  explanations of token embeddings overcomplicate
                  the basic idea. Look up <a
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                  Word-to-Vec was around before transformers. But
                  transformers are based on that idea. (One of the keys
                  to transformers is that the embedding space, including
                  the features themselves, is generated as part of the
                  training.) The embedding of all tokens in the GPT
                  embedding space is the semantics. It's amazing the
                  extent to which that idea can be pushed and the
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 29, 2023
                  at 10:13 AM Jochen Fromm <<a
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                    <div dir="auto">Yes, Rodney Brooks said something
                      similar. He said "GPTs have no understanding of
                      the words they use, no way to connect those words,
                      those symbols, to the real world. A robot needs to
                      be connected to the real world and its commands
                      need to be coherent with the real world.
                      Classically it is known as the 'symbol grounding
                      problem""</div>
                    <div dir="auto"><a
                        href="https://rodneybrooks.com/what-will-transformers-transform/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://rodneybrooks.com/what-will-transformers-transform/</a></div>
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                    <div dir="auto">One could argue that this form of
                      connectedness and embeddedness leads eventually to
                      self-awareness. First physical embeddedness, then
                      social embeddedness and finally self-awareness</div>
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                      1. Physical Embeddedness:<br>
                      Agents who are embedded in a physical world are
                      aware of the world and move in it. To be embedded
                      they need to be embodied. Embeddedness leads to a
                      grounding and a unique point of view<br>
                      <a href="https://iep.utm.edu/husspemb/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://iep.utm.edu/husspemb/</a><br>
                      <br>
                      2. Social Embeddedness:<br>
                      Agents who are embedded in a world of social
                      actors are aware of other agents in the world and
                      interact with them<br>
                      <a
href="https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262518581/the-new-science-of-the-mind/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262518581/the-new-science-of-the-mind/</a><br>
                      <br>
                      3. Self-Awareness:<br>
                      Agents who are embedded in two worlds, the
                      physical world and the world of language become
                      aware that they are actors in a world of social
                      actors by creating a link between the embodiment
                      in the physical world (the body) and the
                      embodiment in the world of language (the name or
                      I)<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">-J.</div>
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                      <div>-------- Original message --------</div>
                      <div>From: Russ Abbott <<a
                          href="mailto:russ.abbott@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">russ.abbott@gmail.com</a>>
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                      <div>Date: 5/29/23 7:08 AM (GMT+01:00) </div>
                      <div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
                        Coffee Group <<a
                          href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
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                      <div>Subject: [FRIAM] A distinguishing feature of
                        living entities </div>
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                          While watching my two little dogs run around
                          our house, it struck me that a feature that
                          distinguishes living from non-living entities
                          is the apparent effortlessness with which
                          living ones navigate the world. Imagine how
                          difficult it would be to build a robot that
                          could navigate the world so effortlessly. To
                          make the comparison a bit simpler, imagine how
                          difficult it would be to build a robotic
                          cockroach. </div>
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                          When I asked ChatGPT whether anyone has built
                          a robotic cockroach, it came up with these
                          examples. (I haven't checked to see whether
                          these are real projects.)</div>
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<p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">DASH: The Dynamic Autonomous Sprawled Hexapod (DASH) robot, developed at the University of California, Berkeley, was inspired by the
 rapid locomotion of cockroaches. It has six legs and can move quickly on various terrains using a simple control mechanism.</font></p>
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<p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">Harvard RoboBee: Although not specifically modeled after a cockroach, the Harvard RoboBee project aims to develop small, insect-like
 robots. These tiny flying robots are inspired by the mechanics and flight capabilities of insects and demonstrate similar agility and maneuverability.</font></p>
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<p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">iSprawl: The iSprawl robot, developed at the University of California, Berkeley, was inspired by cockroaches' ability to squeeze through
 small spaces. It uses a compliant body design and six legs to navigate tight and cluttered environments.</font></p>
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<p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">VelociRoACH: Developed at the University of California, Berkeley, the VelociRoACH is a fast-running robot designed to mimic the high-speed
 locomotion of cockroaches. It utilizes a legged design and has demonstrated impressive speed and agility.</font></p>
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style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Helvetica
                                                          Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.5px;line-height:20px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
class="gmail_default"></span></u></font><span
                                                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
class="gmail_default"></span><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
class="gmail_default">These mainly explore locomotion. Besides
                                                          locomotion,
                                                          cockroaches notice
                                                          when someone
                                                          enters an area
                                                          where they are
                                                          exposed. They
                                                          quickly
                                                          scuttle off to
                                                          some hiding
                                                          place. How do
                                                          they sense the
                                                          presence of a
                                                          new being? How
                                                          do they know
                                                          where the
                                                          hiding places
                                                          are? How do
                                                          they know how
                                                          to move in the
                                                          right
                                                          direction?
                                                          How do they
                                                          know how to
                                                          avoid small obstacles
                                                          and fires?
                                                          Etc. </span></div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
class="gmail_default">One can argue that these capabilities are
                                                          hard-wired in.
                                                          But that
                                                          doesn't make
                                                          it any easier.
                                                          These are
                                                          still
                                                          capabilities
                                                          they
                                                          have, that
                                                          would be a
                                                          challenge to
                                                          build.</span></div>
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                                                          I
                                                          became amazed
                                                          at how
                                                          well-connected
                                                          living
                                                          entities are
                                                          to their
                                                          environments.
                                                          They quickly
                                                          and easily
                                                          extract and
                                                          use
                                                          information
                                                          from their
                                                          environment
                                                          that is
                                                          important to
                                                          their
                                                          survival. </div>
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                                                          Man-made
                                                          robots have
                                                          nowhere near
                                                          that level of
                                                          embeddedness
                                                          and
                                                          environmental
                                                          integration. </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
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                                                          Was it Rodney
                                                          Brooks who
                                                          said that we
                                                          should build
                                                          that sort of
                                                          connectedness
                                                          before
                                                          worrying about
                                                          building
                                                          intelligence
                                                          into our
                                                          robots? Today
                                                          that struck me
                                                          as an
                                                          important
                                                          insight.</div>
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class="gmail_default"></span></u></div>
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style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.5px;line-height:24.75px"></span>--
                                                          Russ Abbott  
                                                                       
                                                                       
                                                                  <br>
                                                          <span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
class="gmail_default"></span>Professor Emeritus, Computer Science<br>
                                                          California
                                                          State
                                                          University,
                                                          Los Angeles</div>
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