<div dir="ltr">Anyone who needs to call "woke" to make a scientific argument has lost my ear. An attention seeking proto-populist weatherman.<div><br></div><div>The electrostatics of individual water molecules, that the hydrogens have some positive charge and the lone pairs of oxygen have some negative charge (which is actually a consequence of the molecule geometry), is all averaged into the thermodynamic behavior. That gaseous water vapor and liquid water vapor droplets coexist is one way the gas - liquid equilibrium can roll. Are the droplets drying out or getting wetter decides which way the heat is moving. The amount of surface area between the liquid and gas phases facilitates the rate of heat transfer/drying/wetting.</div><div><br></div><div>The fundamental delusion is thinking you can explain the weather better than simply blaming it on the gods. We know the basic principles involved, but the variety of ways it can work out continues to surprise us.</div><div><br></div><div>-- rec --</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 8:54 AM Nicholas Thompson <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>thanks Pieter for giving a hear. He almost certainly is a crack pot (he has an "only I can fix it" thing going) but is he wrong about everything? He makes a big deal about the special properties of water molecules. He argues that these are created not by the geometric properties of the molecule per se but by the electrostatic (?!) gradient created by the structure, a distinction he admits is subtle, but insists is absolutely crucial. He says at one point that water vapor itself is rare and that water remains in minuscule droplet form or (??????) sometimes forms a plasma. Some how this leads him to the conclusion that convection is a confection. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I do have sympathy for his general assertion that meteorology is an incoherent clabboring together of incompatible ways of talking and thinking. <br></div><div><br></div><div>This is one of those moments when I profoundly miss Hywel White. One of his aphorisms was "Water is <i><b>WEIRD!"</b></i></div><div><i><b><br></b></i></div><div><i><b>Nick<br></b></i></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 12:57 AM Pieter Steenekamp <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I listened to the podcast and my opinion is that this guy, James McGinn, is a crackpot. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 05:28, Nicholas Thompson <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><b>Hi, all,</b></div><div dir="ltr"><b><br></b></div><div dir="ltr"><b>I was casting about for a podcast on meteorology and stumbled on this guy. I can’t tell if he’s a total raging loon. he says some interesting things about the properties of water and then claims that convection is a myth! I could not find any trace of him on the web except this podcast. The one thing he says that caught my attention is that meteorologists imply that air masses have structural properties that would allow, say, in light air mass to hold a loft, a heavier one. Having red hundreds of forecast discussions, I sort of know what he’s talking about.</b></div><div dir="ltr"><b><br></b></div><div dir="ltr"><b><br></b></div><div dir="ltr"><strong>?????????!!!!!!!!</strong></div><div dir="ltr"><strong>Nick.</strong></div><div dir="ltr"><strong>Solving Tornadoes: Woke Meteorology</strong><br>James McGinn<br><br>Exposing the incompetence of the current meteorological paradigm on storm theory and introducing a new, scientifically competent theory of storms and atmospheric flow.<p>Listen on Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/solving-tornadoes-woke-meteorology/id1489185715" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/solving-tornadoes-woke-meteorology/id1489185715</a></p></div><br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my Dumb <span style="font-size:17pt">Phone</span></div></div>-. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .<br>
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