<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Feels like an AI-fake, or maybe time erodes us into the worst imaginings of our enemies.<div><br></div><div>-- rec --</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 12:02 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">I was tempted to dive into the L vs. E as it may apply to psychology and sociology, but will just offer this instead. Formal deprogramming! Say the quiet part, H, lol.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 5, 2023, at 2:04 PM, glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>Rather than -emic vs -etic, I prefer Lagrangian vs Eulerian, respectively. This avoids the concept of "inside" vs "outside", which then avoids the scoping issue Marcus raised re: nation vs other types of boundaries.</span><br>
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<span>A self-imposed identity is just as imposed as an other-imposed identity. While some of us may chafe at other-imposed vs self-imposed, I think there's another type of person, those who resist any stable identity, whether other- or self-imposed. And resistance
is the wrong way to frame it. It's more like a tendency to swirl around in an attractor versus a tendency to hop from one basin to another.</span><br>
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<span>He/Him may be relatively accurate today. But I'm not committing to its accuracy tomorrow.</span><br>
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<span>On 10/5/23 12:50, Steve Smith wrote:</span><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>on Emic vs Etic <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic</a>> POVs. My own "individualism" is armatured significantly around "/I don't like to be told/" with being */told who I am/* perhaps the most egregious, even if I'm being
told that "/I'm someone who doesn't like to be told who I am"/. </span><br>
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