<div dir="ltr">This Washington Post article brings up some interesting issues. <div><br></div><div>For instance, I didn't know that Altman considered Thiel a mentor.<div><br></div><div> <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/22/sam-altman-fired-y-combinator-paul-graham/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/22/sam-altman-fired-y-combinator-paul-graham/</a></div><div><br></div><div>-- rec --</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 6:38 AM Pietro Terna <<a href="mailto:pietro.terna@unito.it">pietro.terna@unito.it</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<font size="4" face="Adobe Garamond Pro"> Many thanks, Pietro</font><br>
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<div>Il 22/11/23 08:49, Pieter Steenekamp ha
scritto:<br>
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<div dir="auto"><a href="https://twitter.com/sama/status/1727207458324848883?t=Dms3joF7SRmHQQ--nGVv8w&s=19" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/sama/status/1727207458324848883?t=Dms3joF7SRmHQQ--nGVv8w&s=19</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, 9:42 am
Pieter Steenekamp, <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Hot off the press; Sam is going back to
OpenAI.
<div dir="auto">A new board has been appointed.</div>
<div dir="auto">It seems like Sam got what he wanted.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, 7:22
am Pieter Steenekamp, <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Background
<div dir="auto">OpenAI is actually two companies. The
original not for profit parent company and the for
profit subsidiary.</div>
<div dir="auto">The parent, not for profit, appoints the
board of the for profit subsidiary and does not have a
fudiciary obligation towards the financial well-being
of the company, only towards humanity; to ensure that
AI is developed for the good of humanity.</div>
<div dir="auto">On Friday the board fired the CEO, Sam
Altman, without giving reasons.</div>
<div dir="auto">Since then Sam got an offer from
Microsoft to join them and start a new AI Microsoft
subsidiary. Sam is reluctant to take it, he seems to
think that will kill OpenAi.</div>
<div dir="auto">95 percent of OpenAI employees signed a
letter that if Sam goes to Microsoft they will join
him. Microsoft said they will accomdate them.</div>
<div dir="auto">Now we are waiting - will OpenAI take
Sam back? Will Sam and 95 percent of OpenAI's
employees join MS?</div>
<div dir="auto">Or is there something else going to
happen?</div>
<div dir="auto">A Netflix movie couldn't have more drama
and suspens.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Nov 2023,
2:14 am Marcus Daniels, <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/11/openai-ilya-sutskever-sam-altman-fired/676072/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/11/openai-ilya-sutskever-sam-altman-fired/676072/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share</a><span style="font-size:11pt"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Friam
<<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
on behalf of Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at
4:00 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Open AI</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Rumors I have read:<br>
<br>
1) Sam Altman was looking for money from
sovereign wealth fund from Saudi Arabia to
fund an NVIDIA competitor. And this was one
example of him working side gigs not related
to the Open AI mission.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">2) That the energy
demands of LLMs on Azure are just too
expensive, and the money lost per query is
becoming too expensive, even for Microsoft’s
hosting of OpenAI.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">3) That there was a
breakthrough in artificial general
intelligence and Sam Altman wouldn’t press the
brakes.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Friam
<<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
on behalf of Pietro Terna <<a href="mailto:pietro.terna@unito.it" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">pietro.terna@unito.it</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at
2:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[FRIAM] Open AI</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Adobe Garamond Pro",serif">
Dear All,<br>
<br>
can you explain to an old Italian friend
the Open AI soap opera or drama?<br>
<br>
Best, Pietro<br>
<br>
<br>
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