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I was thinking more like judges and prosecutors than about
celebrities.
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<div>They seem to be the ones who look back at the snarling dog
and say I deal with mobsters every day. Get out of my way; I
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<p>touche' </p>
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<p>.... says a lot that I jumped to the conclusion that you might
be implying that it would be a "head of state" who might be
responsible for holding that line. Partly all the talk about
the implications to democracy of a Biden/Trump choice for that
role.<br>
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<p>I don't know if high-profile prosecutors and lifetime
appointees to the highest courts are more celebrity or
functionary, but I do believe that a wide variety of
functionaries at many levels have been holding a line that the
usual suspect heavy hitters (elected representatives of all ilk)
have been letting slip. <br>
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<p>The current anti-T rhetoric seems to be focused on how much
more sophisticated his strategy (or more to the point that of
the abscess that is (re)forming/growing around him) is likely to
be at cleaning out the immune system that held the line last
time/so-far. Probably lots of excess meaning in the immune
system metaphor, but we do seem to be severely compromised...
and by we I think I mean western culture nearly across the
board?<br>
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<p>I don't let much of this imagery in, but the few snippets of
Bannon and MTG and their ilk holding rallys/events is very
disturbing. I don't see the likes of Steven Miller and Roger
Stone showing up on *my* radar, but I'm guessing they are out
there not far below the surface if at all.</p>
<p>Which reminds me of the Kate McKinnon depiction of Kellyanne.
Without husband George jostling her elbow daily she might raise
her game a bit more?<br>
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<p>We've been watching/reading quite a bit of 20th century
political history of late (Truman's Biography, Crown TV series,
Ukraine/Stalin in the 30's- holodomor, etc) and one of the things
that strikes me most is how extreme of alternatively disruptive
and coherency-focused behaviour people of influence have mustered
(not restricted to c20, just my current focus/interest) and how
divergent the ensemble of possible world historical arcs has <br>
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<p>Interesting times...</p>
<p>- Steve</p>
<p>PS. I have romantic/nostalgic ideas about lighthouses myself,
but i'm not sure that shuttering the last one has any significant
practical implications, while the shuttering of our various
democratic institutions still seems pretty significant to me...
like shuttering said lighthouses before sonar/radar/radio.<br>
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<div>On Dec 27, 2023, at 6:28 PM, Steve Smith
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Ode to (mostly) Trucks:<br>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">What I saw on my trip
were hundreds of late model giant pickup trucks
jacked way up off the ground driving around 90mph
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style="font-size: 11pt;">How do the proles afford
them? Not yet post-scarcity. Hmm.</span></div>
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<p
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LMGPTJOtG - Last time I drove the corridor you describe
I remember having my doors blown off by one of those
"cowboy cadillacs" with bumper stickers reading<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><u>Trump 2016</u></i><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u><i>If it
ain't King James, it ain't Bible</i></u>. I'm sure
there is a Trump 2020 and 2024 sticker on there (or
overlayed) now. </p>
<p
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Bible tangent - I recently bought a used Bible off the
interwebs for reasons I'm sure you don't want me to
elaborate here, and learned a bit too much about the
myriad *modern* translations/editions and versions,
with KJ influencing them all significantly. I chose a
1951 version the Catholic Church produced to try to
align with Protestant versions without letting go of any
of their own principles/tenants. A sort of peace
offering? I was raised agnostic-unto athiest but
surrounded by Protestants and Impinged with Catholics
until I started choosing escaped/reformed/recovering
Catholics as partners as an adult.<br>
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<p
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Can't wait for the machines to take over- When we
invented gods in our own image we did a bad job, I'm not
sure we are doing any better with the AI? Please gods,
not in Elon's image! But hope springs infernal.</p>
<p
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REC Banks/Culture - glad to hear someone else is as
voracious as I am with Science and Fiction... my library
still holds a dozen or so books from REC's library when
he left SFE (10 years ago?)... but I don't remember any
SciFi, just SciFact? <span
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<p
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Eric's cryptic comment about "last keeper of Democracy
being a Black Woman - " Michele, Oprah, and Kamala seem
like the likely candidates in exponentially decreasing
order of likelihood? I see an adjacent-possible path
fitting Biden's and the DNC's handling of 2024 strategy?
When does Biden step down/out? After Trump implodes
entirely? After election? Some acute aging-related
event? If Haley squeeks the primary away from DJT?
While she might qualify as "woman of color", not Black
and not particularly a "keeper of Democracy" unless of
course, we measure such by small handfulls of shred?
I'd want Kamala to beat her, but not sure where all
those Trumpster-Dumpsters would come down? Some
probably couldn't vote for *any* woman?<br>
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<p
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Big Trucks and post Scarcity - On our last road trip,
Mary's favorite cousin (our age) arrived (Northern NE)
to meet us for dinner one of those cowboy cadillacs...
looked like it had been in a bar-fight. Golfball and
bigger hail the week before he said. </p>
<p
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had just come from the insurance adjuster who offered
him a $50k check for the repairs (spangled windshield,
ball-peened hood/roof, and some minor pings in every
panel and toolbox)... which he was upset about since
replacement was $70k. Not a single functional issue
outside of windshield visibility. I'd have had a $500
windshield put in, paid off the loan (which I would
never have taken out, myself) and worn the beating like
a sabre scar, but he was dead set on getting it repaired
whilst grumbling at the downtime when he'd have to drive
one of the (equally big/expensive) company trucks (he
owns a tree trimming service, so it would host a bucket
and chipper, slows him down on the straightaways?). </p>
<p
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didn't check for bumper stickers but am pretty sure they
would say Trump/Pence with Pence struck through with a
Sharpie (maybe a noose drawn on?). He might have missed
the small Biden/Harris one on the back of Mary's ($5k
new to us) 15 year old Prius (215k miles and no hail
damage)... I just smiled when he railed about the cost
of fuel (a lot of "I did that" Biden stickers on the gas
pumps there) thinking about the 50mpg I was getting
unless I drafted behind a truck like his (then 60)... </p>
<p
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is excellent about not talking politics with family...
most of her generation of relatives (and all of their
survining parents) are died-in-wool conservative and
about half of the next generation are too. One tween
grand-niece sported a "I'll be Baaack Trump-Terminator"
T-shirt when we met up with them... I'm pretty sure it
was for our benefit. I wanted to send her a
Dark-Brandon one to round out the closet, but Mary
thought she might/not recognize the snark in it and
either way it would be futile.<br>
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<p
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of Pickup Trucks - I grew up with pickup-trucks as the
best value-versatility vehicle, usually the first/only
for any family with 3 little kids squeezed between mom
and pop on the wide bench seat and grandparents and
older kids in the back in the slipstream of the cab
sharing a blanket. Camper shells/toppers didn't come
into vogue until a few years later, that made the back a
little more hospitable. None came with power steering,
brakes, windows, AC, automatic transmissions that I knew
of, and an (AM) radio was a luxury... but no preset
stations and a single speaker under holes drilled in the
(metal) dashboard. </p>
<p
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of my own half-dozen pickup trucks have ever been
"luxury" by contemporary standards but as time
progressed, all those power/automatic features became
*standard*, hard to avoid and the MSRP's went up and
past that of any compact and many sedans.
Increasingly newer (none of mine were newish much less
new) and more capable (starting with AM/FM stereo and
4x4 and extended (not double) cabs) with my latest being
a 2002 diesel 4x4 (250k miles) once converted to veggie
oil. fryer oil became scarce for a while but then at
some point all the old hippies hoarding the stuff
started trying to give it away by the 55 gallon drum a
few years ago. If they had sat in the sunlight too long
they probably had algae growth. Not good for
injectors. It is hard to keep the pumps, injectors,
seals in good shape with veggie instead of dino oil
with/without alge... even if Rudolf Diesel (1858) did
design the first ones to run on peanut oil. I sure
wish I'd not help Reagan oust Jimmy in 1980!<span
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not sure when pickups became self-indulgent luxury
toys. I love/owned motorcycles too. Same/Same. <span
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<p
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49 2.5 ton farm dump truck (mostly lawn ornament now but
often used a decade ago (by me) for woodchips, manure,
firewood) is on it's way to becoming (fingers crossed)
Double Axle II, a second in the fleet of<span
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Van</p>
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2023-11-18 19.33.38 - A modified version of the
previously described scene, featuring the Ford F-6
model farm grain bed truck from the 1950s with a
yellow cab and red bed. .png></span><br>
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<p
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has a strange sense of humor about a lot of things,
including which direction a dump-bed dumps!... my
proposed performance art-project is called "sequestering
carbon, two cords of books at a time". </p>
<p
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scheme and body style are accurate, specific Patina and
stenciling entirely made up by DALL-E... many
renderings offered. The only other obvious inauthentic
element is the bolt pattern on the rims... 5 giant
self-centering lug nuts were the standard for this class
of truck well into the 50s. </p>
<p
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rims are known as widowmakers... for good reason,
surprisingly Garcia Tire still maintains a cage with
mounting equipment inside to work on them with. I'm
looking for modern replacements. But they will still
have a 5 bolt pattern. </p>
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been waiting for larger affordable "hub motors" to come
out so I could quit tuning a 75 year old petrol burner
and drop in the good sections of my 16kWh Chevy Volt
battery I replaced when I bought it. Used (but still
functional) solar panels are cheaper than plywood and a
whole lot more water-proof. I could cover or clad the
bed with those and collect enough photons for the 2-6
mile moves every week or two the art-platform concept
suggests? The split-drive-shaft and two-speed rear-end
with PTO setup is also a reasonable place to inline an
EV-class motor for low-speed, short distances. Who
knows?<span id="cid:part2.uU3FjwR1.dMfWwSlo@swcp.com"><Poetruck
with color copy.jpeg></span><br>
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<p
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should look for this pressed into some form of transient
public art installation in Santa Fe by this summer.</p>
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of this careening ramble,</p>
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Sieve<br>
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam<span
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Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roger
Critchlow<br>
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December 27, 2023 9:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The
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Really hoping the machines can take
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just yesterday finished rereading all the Iain
M Banks "Culture" novels in the Boston Public
Library e-collection, seven between Halloween
and Christmas. The "Culture" is a space-going
far future civilization of organic life -
humanoid and other - and of artificially
sentient beings. The machine "Minds" pretty
much run the infrastructure and economy while
the organic beings party, study, travel,
pursue dangerous hobbies, whatever. It's all
post-scarcity, so everyone can pretty much
have what they want.<o:p></o:p></div>
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sounds like the Culture "Minds" pretty much
solved the dictatorship of the proletariat in
the Culture's history. You raise dumb matter
to sentience and let it sort everything out.
The energy and matter of the tools that the
proletarians used are even more prole than the
proles.<o:p></o:p></div>
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