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<p>So prophetic! love the coining of "gold" goo... and the idea of
psuedopodia... I'm sure I read this 12.5 years ago, but like the
good LLM I am, I lost any possibility of attribution as soon as
I'd trained on it!<br>
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<p>-SAS<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/28/24 3:07 PM, Roger Critchlow
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Date: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Next Dictator<br>
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
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I keep thinking that the next big dictator isn't new.
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<div>Das Kapital is an artificial life form which by a process
of natural selection pursues its own preservation and growth.
It doesn't care which individuals or institutions survive or
perish in the process, it just moves and grows where the
return on investment takes it. It has no ethics, no morality,
and no sense of humor.</div>
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<div>Daniel Kahneman in <a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/magazine/dont-blink-the-hazards-of-confidence.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/magazine/dont-blink-the-hazards-of-confidence.html</a> mentions
analyzing 8 years of investment results for 25 successful
investment advisers. Though these were all experienced and
confident men, the average year to year correlation in their
results was 0.01. The highly rewarded experts of finance have
no real idea what they're doing, they are highly rewarded for
an "illusion of skill", they play roulette with style and
their clients buy them expensive clothes to do it in. The
news didn't faze them a bit; that they can do what they do
and get rewarded for it is all the affirmation they need.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">In dealing with Das Kapital, I think
we're pretty much all in the same boat. No one knows where
the slime mold will choose to extend its pseudopodia, or
which of the pseudopodia will thrive or wither, or what the
novel beneficial or lamentable consequences will be. Some
of us worry about the suffering caused by the
gold-goo-excrement, others worry about not killing the beast
that makes the gold-goo, many just fight for the largest
share they can get, and most of us could care less until the
bucket of gold-goo-excrement lands in our neighborhood or
the gold-goo pseudopod feeding our investments dries up.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at
2:48 PM Roger Critchlow <<a href="mailto:rec@elf.org"
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<div dir="ltr">Das Kapital is our most successful experiment
in artificial life, but it's still feral and no one has the
least clue how to domesticate it, and the grey goo we're
constructing is a mass of collateralized debt instruments.
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<div>-- rec --</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at
11:03 AM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>>
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<p><a
href="https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2<br>
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<p>I suspect the opinions among the members of this list
range widely on Doctorow's work, my general response
to him is a guarded positive.<br>
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<p>I offer this article to you nominally about the
problems with rooftop-solar "gaming" but as a
reflection on Corporations (and I claim governments,
religions, other institutions) as "slow AI". Rooftop
Solar is just a contemporary somewhat benign
case-study.<br>
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<p>They are both contrived as "rule-based" systems and
evolved in the same mode as Machine Learning Models. </p>
<p>The 2023 rush of AI/ML into the public's eye and
hands might well overwhelm us with false-paths to
individual and collective prosperity. Opportunities
for dead-ends or overshoots abound in the harsh light
of <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reward_hacking"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">"reward
hacking"</a>? <br>
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<p>And then we have the spectre of <br>
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