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    <p>REC - <br>
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    <p>So prophetic!   love the coining of "gold" goo... and the idea of
      psuedopodia...   I'm sure I read this 12.5 years ago, but like the
      good LLM I am, I lost any possibility of attribution as soon as
      I'd trained on it!<br>
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    <p>-SAS<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/28/24 3:07 PM, Roger Critchlow
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">From: <strong
            class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Roger Critchlow</strong> <span
            dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:rec@elf.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rec@elf.org</a>></span><br>
          Date: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM<br>
          Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Next Dictator<br>
          To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
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        I keep thinking that the next big dictator isn't new.
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        <div>Das Kapital is an artificial life form which by a process
          of natural selection pursues its own preservation and growth. 
          It doesn't care which individuals or institutions survive or
          perish in the process, it just moves and grows where the
          return on investment takes it.  It has no ethics, no morality,
          and no sense of humor.</div>
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        <div>Daniel Kahneman in <a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/magazine/dont-blink-the-hazards-of-confidence.html"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/magazine/dont-blink-the-hazards-of-confidence.html</a> mentions
          analyzing 8 years of investment results for 25 successful
          investment advisers.  Though these were all experienced and
          confident men, the average year to year correlation in their
          results was 0.01.  The highly rewarded experts of finance have
          no real idea what they're doing, they are highly rewarded for
          an "illusion of skill", they play roulette with style and
          their clients buy them expensive clothes to do it in.  The
          news didn't faze them a bit;  that they can do what they do
          and get rewarded for it is all the affirmation they need.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">In dealing with Das Kapital, I think
            we're pretty much all in the same boat.  No one knows where
            the slime mold will choose to extend its  pseudopodia, or
            which of the pseudopodia will thrive or wither, or what the
            novel beneficial or lamentable consequences will be.  Some
            of us worry about the suffering caused by the
            gold-goo-excrement, others worry about not killing the beast
            that makes the gold-goo, many just fight for the largest
            share they can get, and most of us could care less until the
            bucket of gold-goo-excrement lands in our neighborhood or
            the gold-goo pseudopod feeding our investments dries up.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote"><span
              style="background-color:transparent">--rec --</span></div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at
          2:48 PM Roger Critchlow <<a href="mailto:rec@elf.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rec@elf.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Das Kapital is our most successful experiment
            in artificial life, but it's still feral and no one has the
            least clue how to domesticate it, and the grey goo we're
            constructing is a mass of collateralized debt instruments.
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            <div>-- rec --</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at
              11:03 AM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                <p><a
href="https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2<br>
                  </a></p>
                <p>I suspect the opinions among the members of this list
                  range widely on Doctorow's work, my general response
                  to him is a guarded positive.<br>
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                <p>I offer this article to you nominally about the
                  problems with rooftop-solar "gaming" but as a
                  reflection on Corporations (and I claim governments,
                  religions, other institutions) as "slow AI".   Rooftop
                  Solar is just a contemporary somewhat benign
                  case-study.<br>
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                <p>They are both contrived as "rule-based" systems and
                  evolved in the same mode as Machine Learning Models.  </p>
                <p>The 2023 rush of AI/ML into the public's eye and
                  hands might well overwhelm us with false-paths to
                  individual and collective prosperity.   Opportunities
                  for dead-ends or overshoots abound in the harsh light
                  of <a
                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reward_hacking"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">"reward
                    hacking"</a>?  <br>
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                <p>And then we have the spectre of <br>
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