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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/24 10:25 PM, Marcus Daniels
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">People are
rightly livid with the gas and electric utilities here in
California, but the state is doing better than other states
on renewables. More than half the grid is solar during the
day. Large installations of batteries are in use and
investments in offshore wind are expanding. <br>
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<p>I'm a fan of localizing and distributing as best we can. It is
probably overly optimistic on my part but combinations of
home-scale PV with storage including EVs (with two-way
interconnect) might really help unload the grid and displace
grid-growth with grid-upgrade. <br>
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<p>I'm not a fan of massive/centralized *anything* even though the
"economy of scale" arguments tend to have some advantage... <br>
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<p>I don't know what is really happening in TX/ERCOT, but my liberal
bias has me believing that all the squealing going on among TX GOP
types about how somehow wind/solar is the *reason* for their
various grid-failures in the last few years... surely there are
some anecdotal edge/corner cases where there is a germ of truth...
but .... <br>
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<p>My own electric co-op (Jemez Mtn Coop) started after WWII when
the soldiers returning tried to repair/renew the small turbine in
the creek that fed DC to a few dozen households and got carried
away. Now they (we) are entirely captive to a multi-state
regional provider who has us locked into primarily coal mined and
sluiced 100 miles across the Navajo Reservation (but only for a
few more years) while Kit Carson COOP (Taos county) recently
announced some net-sustainable success story (not sure of the
details... electrons in the grid don't have block-chain-class
identity, so short of being an isolated island, nobody knows their
provenance?). I'm hoping for a similar (r)evolution in our
COOP, but plan to (continue to) take matters into my own hands
locally, even if I remain grid-tied to be a "good neighbor". The
power-distribution for my neighborhood (4 in an isolated island)
is on my property and last time JMEC did service they bolt-cut the
lock and left it that way... I could slap an induction ammeter on
the gear and see how much of any excess power I might peak with on
PV was going downstream, and how much upstream (likely all
downstream)... <br>
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Friam <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>cody dooderson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 27, 2024 4:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Bad news about the climate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am convinced that in the next 30
years, there will be some massive geo-engineering projects
to reverse the course of climate change. We can only hope
that they will be well thought out. Harvard has a
geoengineering program with a nice web page. I check it
from time to time and it helps me feel a bit more
optimistic about the future. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">_ Cody Smith _<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 3:11<span
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Jochen Fromm <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net"
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am not a big fan of Sabine. Her
book "Lost in math" is too pessimistic and too
negative for me. She earns money from her YouTube
video channel. The more sensational the content, the
more clicks. That being said I agree that climate
change is one of the biggest problems, and the outlook
is not good.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we don't act now temperatures
will rise inevitably, and there is a real possibility
our economies will collapse. But if we prohibit all
fossil fuels now our economies will collapse too,
because they depend on it. Airplanes, ships, trucks,
cars, heatings in our homes, plastic products,...
everything is based on fossil fuels. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What our leaders do is take they
planes and private jets to fly to climate conferences
and economic forums where they agree on lofty goals
but when they return it is business as usual. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What we can do is voting for better
politics - besides getting an emission free car, using
electric trains and public transport, switching to
sustainable energy, using less plastic, etc.
Eventually it will also mean less travelling by plane
and cruise ships. This means no longer vacation in
exotic places - but imagine how much better the air in
our cities would be if the majority of cars are
emission free.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-J.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">From:
Russ Abbott <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">russ.abbott@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Date:
1/27/24 10:01 PM (GMT+01:00)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">To: ICE -
debora shuger <<a href="mailto:Shuger@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Shuger@gmail.com</a>>,
Rob Watson <<a
href="mailto:rnwatson@humnet.ucla.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rnwatson@humnet.ucla.edu</a>>,
Richard Abbott <<a
href="mailto:Richard.E.Abbott@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Richard.E.Abbott@gmail.com</a>>,
"Michael, Maria, and Luna Abbott-Whitley/Penado"
<<a href="mailto:mabbottwhitley@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mabbottwhitley@gmail.com</a>>,
Danielle Abbott-Whitley <<a
href="mailto:dlw0129@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dlw0129@gmail.com</a>>,
"Whitley, Julian" <<a
href="mailto:jln.whitley@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jln.whitley@gmail.com</a>>,
Dale Shuger <<a
href="mailto:shuger02135@yahoo.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shuger02135@yahoo.com</a>>,
The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Subject:
[FRIAM] Bad news about the climate
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I apologize
for this relatively mass email. It was prompted by
<a
href="https://youtu.be/4S9sDyooxf4?si=_A767WzYTxriYGdl" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">a video</a> by Sabine
Hossenfelder, Sabine is a theoretical physicist
who has spent much of her recent life as a popular
science writer and video maker. See her
<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabine_Hossenfelder" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Wikipedia page</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The video
linked to above talks about climate models. The
bottom line is that it appears that most of the
current models have underestimated how quickly
earth will warm. The consequences are frightening.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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