<div dir="ltr">Jobs and Dad (Owen) had some differences (being polite). Was one of the reasons he went to SUN, IIRC it also had a infamously unhealthy work/life balance. The mac team also was cutting it very close to get a working(ish) computer for steve jobs to show off. The mac team had some 'unexpected features' (bugs) at least on the software level, and IIRC hardware side as well before it could be shipped. I always thought it sounded a little like steve hawkings. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 1:54\u202fPM Stephen Guerin <<a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsjMmAqmblQ&ab_channel=BloombergOriginals" target="_blank">1984 Macintosh Ad</a> shown during the Jan 22 Superbowl teased the Jan 26, 1984 introduction of the Mac at the Apple Shareholders meeting (I don't have the video).
Jobs did a demo and then a panel discussion with 8 members of the software and hardware team The whole presentation including the developer panel was repeated 4 days later at a Boston Computer Society meeting. Our Owen Densmore is one of those 8 as the software engineer lured from Xerox to work on WYSIWIG printing and embedding a software rendering engine in the printer itself. here's the time codes of these discussions<br><ul><li><a href="https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=1336" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=1336</a> \u2013 Jobs explaining the printer</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=1741" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=1741</a> - Owen introduction</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=2379" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=2379</a> - Randy Wigginton nods to Owen\u2019s printer work</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=2683" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=2683</a> - Printing question answered by Jobs and Owen</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=3352" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=3352</a> - Owen gets up to get a floppy disk :]</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=3744" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1tQ5XwvjPmA?feature=shared&t=3744</a> - Owen comments on the Mac\u2019s multi-tasking abilities</li></ul><div>Owen left Apple to join Sun in the last half of the 80s and worked on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS" target="_blank">NeWS </a>- postscipt-based windowing system. NeXT would later adopt instead of QuickDraw for its windowing system.<br><br></div><div>When Jobs was at NeXT, he <a href="https://infinite.mit.edu/video/steve-jobs-next-computer-corp-sloan-distinguished-speaker-series" target="_blank">gave this talk at MIT Sloan School</a> ~8 years later. In the talk, I find his observations interesting esp wrt to how important printing and desktop publishing would be for the Mac and they didn't predict it. <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.45rem;padding:0px;color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:Inter;font-size:15px"><i><span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_678440" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">When</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_678590" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">we</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_679310" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">did</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_679960" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">the</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_680750" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">Macintosh,</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_680840" 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style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">America,</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_716960" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">where</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_717170" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">it</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_717380" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">could</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_718340" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">show</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_718490" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">its</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_718910" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">owners</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_719510" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">all</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_719840" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">the</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_720110" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">other</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_720620" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">wonderful</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_721460" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">things</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_721790" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">it</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_722060" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif">could</span> <span id="m_-3552644647975819828gmail-00_722150" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-family:Inter,sans-serif;margin-bottom:0px">do.</span></i><br></p></div></blockquote><div>Apple has Owen to thank for that!<br><br>Redfish, btw, was an Apple VAR in the early 90s helping commercial printers to prepress - digital scanning, digital halftoning, color separation, digital imaging (early photoshop), plate-ready film printing, and page layout (QuarkXpress and PageMaker). Of course, I didn't know Owen yet - I would first meet him at the 2000 Complex Systems Summer School where we were both students from the BusNet. I was from BiosGroup and Owen from Sun R&D Labs.<br><br>Mad respect for your changing the world, Owen! And you ain't done yet. :-)<br><br>-Stephen</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">_____________________________________________________________________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com" target="_blank">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a> <br><div><a href="mailto:stephenguerin@fas.harvard.edu" target="_blank">stephenguerin@fas.harvard.edu</a><br><a href="https://hwpi.harvard.edu/eps-visualization-research-laboratory/home" target="_blank">Harvard Visualization Research and Teaching Lab</a><br><div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">mobile: (505)577-5828</span></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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