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<p>rambling free-association hath no bounds:</p>
<p> Synergia Ranch is just a hop-skip-stumble from Bonanza Creek
where Trump-impersonator extra-ordinaire Alec Balwin shot somebody
with an antique pistol that was "supposed to be" unloaded or
blanked. </p>
<p>The litigation continues as right-wingers (or gun nuts if there
is a difference that makes a difference?) howl to "lock him up"
while howling that nobody-nowhere should anytime-anywhere be
prosecuted or even looked at askance at for "popping a cap" in
anyone in the "wrong-place/wrong-time"</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/1/24 2:03 PM, Steve Smith wrote:<br>
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<p>SG... so succinct with sufficient but not excess tangents, I
bow to you!</p>
<p>And then I tangent again. Your reference to Bannon's "help"
with Biosphere I (aka earth/gaia/mother-earth) reminds me to
offer up:</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8804284/"
moz-do-not-send="true">American Dharma</a></p>
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<p>a documentary by Errol Flynn who is one of Bannon's heroes as a
film-maker. Bannon's adulation of Flynn gave Flynn great access
to expose Bannon for what he is in a larger but not specifically
snarky way than most Bannon hit-pieces. Bannon pretty much
shows all of his own colors in his own unprompted words in the
film... Kinda like Trump at every one of his rallys, but with
(slightly) less stakes. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/1/24 1:30 PM, Stephen Guerin
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at
10:04 AM Jochen Fromm <<a
href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jofr@cas-group.net</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Biosphere 2 near Tuscon was a similar,
even more extreme experiment to create a
self-sustaining ecosystem. The experiment was
considered a failure and the whole center belongs now
to the University of Arizona.</div>
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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The creators of Biosphere II are from Santa Fe and still
live here on <a href="https://synergiaranch.com/"
moz-do-not-send="true">Synergia Ranch</a>. I am in awe
of what their "Theater of All Possibilities" pulled off in
the 60s through the 90s and even today as a creative
collective. I highly recommend the documentary Spaceship
Earth (<a
href="https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/spaceship-earth"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/spaceship-earth</a>)
to give a more sympathetic background compared to how they
were crucified by the press and later "screwed" by Steve
Bannon brought in by Ed Bass to make it more commercial. </div>
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<div>Note the great Howard Odum's point on the Wikipedia you
linked:<br>
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<div>" <span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">There
was controversy when the public learned that the
project had allowed an injured member to leave and
return, carrying new material inside. The team claimed
the only new supplies brought in were plastic bags,
but others accused them of bringing food and other
items. More criticism was raised when it was learned
that, likewise, the project injected oxygen in January
1993 to make up for a failure in the balance of the
system that resulted in the amount of oxygen steadily
declining.</span><sup id="gmail-cite_ref-56"
class="gmail-reference"
style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:isolate;font-size:11.2px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-56"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(51,102,204);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">[56]</a></sup><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Some
thought that these criticisms ignored that Biosphere 2
was an experiment where the unexpected would occur,
adding to knowledge of how complex ecologies develop
and interact, not a demonstration where everything was
known in advance.</span><sup id="gmail-cite_ref-57"
class="gmail-reference"
style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:isolate;font-size:11.2px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-57"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(51,102,204);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">[57]</a></sup><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_T._Odum"
title="Howard T. Odum"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(51,102,204);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
moz-do-not-send="true">H. T. Odum</a><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> noted:
"The management process during 1992–1993 using data to
develop theory, test it with simulation, and apply
corrective actions was in the best scientific
tradition. Yet some journalists crucified the
management in the public press, treating the project
as if it was an Olympic contest to see how much could
be done without opening the doors".</span><sup
id="gmail-cite_ref-58" class="gmail-reference"
style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:isolate;font-size:11.2px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-58"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(51,102,204);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">[58]</a>"<br>
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That all said, I understand the larger context in which
you ask the question and the difficulty of creating a
self-sustaining ecosystem (and social system). BTW, I
think we learned as much about social systems as
ecosystems with Biosphere II to help us with Biosphere I
with all the Steve Bannon's running around :-)<br>
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