<div dir="auto">I think you're thinking of Flynn's brother, Morris ;-p<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 1, 2024, 2:03 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>SG... so succinct with sufficient but not excess tangents, I bow
to you!</p>
<p>And then I tangent again. Your reference to Bannon's "help" with
Biosphere I (aka earth/gaia/mother-earth) reminds me to offer up:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8804284/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">American Dharma</a></p>
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<p>a documentary by Errol Flynn who is one of Bannon's heroes as a
film-maker. Bannon's adulation of Flynn gave Flynn great access
to expose Bannon for what he is in a larger but not specifically
snarky way than most Bannon hit-pieces. Bannon pretty much shows
all of his own colors in his own unprompted words in the film...
Kinda like Trump at every one of his rallys, but with (slightly)
less stakes. <br>
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<div>On 3/1/24 1:30 PM, Stephen Guerin
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at
10:04 AM Jochen Fromm <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jofr@cas-group.net</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Biosphere 2 near Tuscon was a similar,
even more extreme experiment to create a self-sustaining
ecosystem. The experiment was considered a failure and
the whole center belongs now to the University of
Arizona.</div>
<div dir="auto"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2</a></div>
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The creators of Biosphere II are from Santa Fe and still
live here on <a href="https://synergiaranch.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Synergia Ranch</a>. I am in awe of
what their "Theater of All Possibilities" pulled off in the
60s through the 90s and even today as a creative
collective. I highly recommend the documentary Spaceship
Earth (<a href="https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/spaceship-earth" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/spaceship-earth</a>)
to give a more sympathetic background compared to how they
were crucified by the press and later "screwed" by Steve
Bannon brought in by Ed Bass to make it more commercial. </div>
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<div>Note the great Howard Odum's point on the Wikipedia you
linked:<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">There
was controversy when the public learned that the project
had allowed an injured member to leave and return,
carrying new material inside. The team claimed the only
new supplies brought in were plastic bags, but others
accused them of bringing food and other items. More
criticism was raised when it was learned that, likewise,
the project injected oxygen in January 1993 to make up
for a failure in the balance of the system that resulted
in the amount of oxygen steadily declining.</span><sup id="m_-6643093969455623877m_7465838681923133352gmail-cite_ref-56" style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:isolate;font-size:11.2px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-56" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(51,102,204);background:none" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">[56]</a></sup><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Some
thought that these criticisms ignored that Biosphere 2
was an experiment where the unexpected would occur,
adding to knowledge of how complex ecologies develop and
interact, not a demonstration where everything was known
in advance.</span><sup id="m_-6643093969455623877m_7465838681923133352gmail-cite_ref-57" style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:isolate;font-size:11.2px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-57" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(51,102,204);background:none" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">[57]</a></sup><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_T._Odum" title="Howard T. Odum" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(51,102,204);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">H. T. Odum</a><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> noted:
"The management process during 1992–1993 using data to
develop theory, test it with simulation, and apply
corrective actions was in the best scientific tradition.
Yet some journalists crucified the management in the
public press, treating the project as if it was an
Olympic contest to see how much could be done without
opening the doors".</span><sup id="m_-6643093969455623877m_7465838681923133352gmail-cite_ref-58" style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:isolate;font-size:11.2px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-58" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(51,102,204);background:none" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">[58]</a>"<br>
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That all said, I understand the larger context in which you
ask the question and the difficulty of creating a
self-sustaining ecosystem (and social system). BTW, I think
we learned as much about social systems as ecosystems with
Biosphere II to help us with Biosphere I with all the Steve
Bannon's running around :-)<br>
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